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This is about PG-13 rulings and such that I've been wanting to put in discussion for a while now and because of the major movements of this site, and with a couple years behind those already, now seems like a good time to bring this up. I'm touching base on some of the contexts of the site being PG-13 for its user participation subsections, so it's about blood and what's seen as allowable as "PG-13".

I'm kinda curious to know what are the guidelines for posting gore, puke, and bloody pictures. There are little rulings to almost no mention to it except for the arbitrariness "PG-13" rules and maybe the "offensive" quasi-clause, but there's nothing really specific to the rulings of those subjects mentioned in contrast to the nudity/titty exposure rules. There are a few precedents for or against it, but again, there are none that's actually official that can be accessed by everyone easily.

Let's see if I can provide a good example and rationale.

The shows Another and School Days are on crunchyroll. Crunchyroll is supposedly a PG-13 site, or at least "family friendly" according to shinji, and most shows here being aired are along those lines of PG-13 unless otherwised specified by some kind of age restriction to viewing the show, i.e. Queen's Blade. Although, sometimes there are no discretionary warnings prior to viewing the show. Unless of course all the shows on crunchyroll are under the assumption of "PG-13" as for shinji's strive to make this place a "family friendly" zone ike mentioned in one of the quotes below. Going with this little rationale, Another and the end of School Days are within the fringes of PG-13 rulings in the context and assumption of this site by shinji's show allowableness and MPAA definition- MPAA because crunchyroll is a US based site.


PG-13 – Parents Strongly Cautioned



There is also this little message from shinji on making this site a bit family friendly. "Family friendly" are the keywords that should be considered with the content and shows of this site coupled with that "PG-13" .

shinji wrote:

(This announcement was around the time crunchyroll is reworking the site when it became a more legitimate business.)





So, unless otherwise stated by the rulings on the thread like the very specific nudity/titty rules, some blood, maybe some dismembered limbs, and puke from the shows Another and School Days and the like are sort of allowable. Though, that line kinda crosses when guts and entails and shit and very graphic stuff are involved, but again, there's nothing really specified to what is allowed and not allowed. So, this is "why" I typed up this inquiry.

I'm not saying that I'm going to plaster these kinds of pictures through the forum for some kind of shock value. Come on, some of you guys know me; actually, I'm far from it. I'm just trying to make clear of the arbitrariness that has been allowed/disallowed by the rules for sake of other people who might want to post pictures from such shows.


For me personally, probably the best way to remedy this and other PG-13 rulings are with "If crunchyroll shows it to its base audience, then feel free to post it on the crunchyroll site because that's what crunchyroll promotes" for some kind of review, promotion, and/or critic on the show. This would also show consistency and leniency for users of the site by allowing posts on its subsection what crunchyroll is showing to better promote those in house shows.

These two sample are just some screenshots from show on this site that kinda puts that PG-13 question in my head in the context of this site. (These are in the purposes of sample and out of not spite to the current rulings. I spoilered as to not offend.)

Teacher killing himself in Another episode 7 (bloody)


Brosuke-Kun grabbing Kirino's breast from Oreimo episode 4 (not bloody or gory but still an inquiry on the PG-13 rulings)

*There's also a caption contest by SailorBee with the character looking like he's boob face hugged by a well endowed character which could be seen as "grasping" or "fondling".
*There are also some front news articles with pretty borderline things from PIXIV in contrast.
**Note for the last two, I know crunchyroll site employees can do whatever it wants with its content, but what if said content or similar was to be reposted somewhere else, forums mostly, that doesn't allow of them. It's the same content on the same site but just reposted on a subsection of site and everything. Isn't it almost the same thing if not exactly?
****If anything, those content shown by the front page by the mods and employees should be under more scrutiny than anything by a regular user posting in due part of pleasing the sponsors and because those posts are actually the ones with the most screen time and visibility. If this were true with their posts for allowing such content, such permissibility should be available to the users that doesn't have the same bolster in relatives.


Since crunchyroll has become so tight since the changes, I've trying to figure out some kind of consistency and happy medium for the user participation site subsections that can be seen as crunchyroll being crunchyroll and allows for its customers and users similar things because the similar things are being aired, promoted, and shown on crunchyroll's main platforms- news, shows, and mod forum feeds- without the user being penalized on it by some kind of technicality because of said same/similar material on said "PG-13", "family friendly" site.

I'm not suggesting a total overhaul of the current rules but a re-review and small changes in considering the context of the content of what makes crunchyroll crunchyroll because if crunchyroll allows for it on its site then crunchyroll wouldn't have a problem with it somewhere else on its site.

Well, I want to hear what you guys think.

If I ruined your guys' buzz, excuse my seriousness for a bit with all these text and such. "MY_BAD_LAWL”
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Howdy!

So... Yes, there is a bit of a discrepancy between what content we air and what is acceptable for the forums.
This is because there are measures in place for parents to moderate what their kids are watching.
We are a streaming company that happens to have a Social Media aspect.

That said, we want the forums to be a safe place for those 13 & up to hang out.

As parents can not keep tabs on every single thing in the forums, we have to use our best judgement with what content is posted / acceptable.

If the PG-13 rating in the forums seems a bit more strict, I apologize.

In regards to gore / blood / dismemberment. I'll see about having an addition made to the rules.

A pretty safe standard to go by is 'Would I show this to my mom?'

Long story short, I'm trying to make the forums the best they can be. It's a work in progress, so bear with me.

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I watched Another from start to finish personally and while it did get mildly graphic I never felt it went beyond pg 13. The picture you use is likely the most graphic scene in the entire show and it happens extremely fast in a flash then cuts away. Most of the time the deaths in the show happen off screen entirely. As for the breast grab, again, pg 13. This same thing happens in Full Metal Panic at least 3-4 times and I would never consider it a R or higher show.

The reason we have no "hardline" rules for this is because it is too subjective to have "hardline" rules. In one scene the "grab" as you mention is pure comedy and meant to be funny, in another show the same scene is meant to be provocative and lead to something else. To borrow an American legal term... Possession is 9/10ths of the law... but the other 10th is intent. Intent is what we have to look for when modding the forums.

So that said...

Before you post an image just look at three things. The content of the image/thread itself. What is my intent in posting it? Lastly, in what context is it going to be taken with the rest of the thread? This is where the "common sense" rules come into play. If you have an image you want to post but you have to stop and think "hmmm this image may not be PG-13 and the other people in the thread might get offended..." then odds are it probably isn't okay to post it.

Here's a purely theoretical example.

Someone posts an image of some pasta they cooked and it doesn't look very tasty. One user responds with a gif of a moe faces guy turning green and throwing up green slime on another character. A different user responds saying "Let me help your cooking skills" and posts a gif of a guy walking up to the screen, pulling a gun, and shooting at the "viewer". Which post do you think I am more likely to delete?

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I know the crunchyroll forum rules as good as any mod out there, if not better, due in part by being here for so long and actually know my way of playing around them. The reason to this inquiry, again, is to put up said changes and attitude in to what is considered PG-13 for this site in those pass couple of years. Again, this not only to the shows posted here but also to the content posted by the staff on the front page. With this site being said to having "Social Media" aspects, then let me present in the case a couple of samples. Let's keep in mind that assumption of this site is PG-13.


Here's a sample from Joseph Luster on the blood and gore of Ninja Gaiden with a depiction of a really bloody scene of a man getting cut in half. Article Link

*Blood, gore, extreme violence


Here's a sample from a recent article on the front page by Scott Green from "VIDEO: "Rescue Me!" OVA Opening Preview" Article Link

*Erect nipples, partial nudity, very sexual situation with the cowgirl position
*The rest videos have similar themes, so it's just not a snippet.



Now, let's consider the litmus test for the forum and image posting for those images with the following:

2. Appropriate Avatar
~ Must not contain nude or offensive images.
~ Can not be any larger than 200 pixels in length and 200 pixels in width.
~ May not be taken/stolen from another user.

3.1 Nude/Naked
~ Any form of nudity, regardless of whether or not the subject is covering their breasts or genitalia will not be tolerated.

3.2 Breast Exposure
~ Exposure of more than 1/2 of the breast, exposure of the areola, and exposure of the nipple will not be tolerated. Fondling of the breasts (i.e. grasping the breasts either by the character or by another character) will not be tolerated either.

3.3 Genital Exposure
~ No form of genital exposure will be tolerated. This includes fondling with undergarments, extremely low exposure (such that more or less 1/2 of the mons pubis is exposed) or visualizations of the genitalia beneath the underwear (where the labia majora is discernable).

3.4 Sexual Connotations
~ Any picture depicting sexual undertones, such as sex, masturbation, or any of the sort will not be tolerated.


Easily either one has no chance in passing in the forums, but they were featured out and loud on the front page. (Do consider that this is in relatives to the content control of what's being presented in the "Social Media" with interaction aspect.)


I'm going to assume that Mr. Luster and Mr. Green are actual employees of the crunchyroll company. With this assumption, let's say they have some kind of allowable standards on what they can post as front page news, part of the "Social Media", and whatever they post are under scrutiny for the good of the community. With this and shinji's statement of PG-13 and "family friendly", the following samples, extreme as they may be, are what can be seen as "OK" in this site's standards. Include that this is some kind of expectation of people clicking into the article because you wouldn't post something like that just because. With this kind of precedence, this can be perceive by the audience as being a "green light" to their interactions here on this site, i.e. images on their profiles, forums, groups, etc.

Although, some site and forum rules have disallowed some of this content specifically. One report because one person got offended, those content from the user participation quickly escalates to an almost bannable offense while said Mr. Luster and Mr. Green are rendered harmless in the process for similar content. I know that employees are in a different circle than users, but do consider that the users are customers rather than just lowly users in the case that crunchyroll's dramatic change because forums, profiles, guestbook posts can also be seen as part of the service.

Circling back to the "Social Media", in probably in its extremes, if said material is being perpetuated by the house shouldn't the residence of the house be allowable the same leniency in the consistency because the house had it before hand already? This is to consider that it is just not about the shows but also the content shown by the site's employees.


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I'm all too familiar with crunchyroll's discrepancies. Though, I understand that this is a business, but as you said, this is also a "Social Media" outlet. I get that finding that kind of "Happy Medium" sweet spot that just makes everyone happy is a tough find, so that is why I'm bringing this up, bringing this up in the context of how much crunchyroll has changed and what's being presented to the audience in all its outlets; this is to also include to what's permissible to its user participation subsection; let me rephrase that as "customer" participation subsections.

Maybe facebook like allowableness? People's moms see that. "LAWL"

The PG-13 rules version for the forums, profiles, and groups feel sometimes restricting and confusing. Sometimes it even seems as inconsistent in contrast to the entire site; re-read above to see what I mean.

Please do what you can for this little wiggle room. I'll be more than happy to be a sound board for ideas and such like right now.





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I liked Another. It's an interesting show. I can't wait for the second season of OREIMO. Though, those discussion are for another thread and time. "LAWL"

Anywho, the reasons why I brought up those two examples is because I've seen users get penalized from those two shows because of the PG-13 limitations and subjectivity; see the quoted image rulings above. Yes, we can both agree to the shows being that "PG-13" category, but you know as well as I do that there can be misinterpretation in the context. Disregarding purposes of comedy, context, and assuming you never seen the show better, that "grab" scene can be seen against the following:

3.2
.....Fondling of the breasts (i.e. grasping the breasts either by the character or by another character) will not be tolerated either.


Despite the PG-13 agreement in that last paragraph, strictly to the rules, I broke the rules by posting such an image, so even context or no context, there's no way around that. Now consider that news articles samples that I posted above. If someone were to post that in the forums, profile, or group, they are even less passable with the presented clauses above than those previous samples and would be shot down so fast.

Am I looking for hardline rules? I'm actually far from it. If there could be a bit more breathing room from the mods and official rulings, that would be nice because an excuse of Mr. Green or Mr. Luster posting or that that the show was on crunchyroll it isn't going to fly all the time. What I'm looking for here is that leniency for a bit more consistency. This whole time I've held that consistency factor by what crunchyroll is circulating and presenting.



As for your last illustration, I can see that more of a problem on the grounds of user interaction end than "PG-13" image one. That can go down to something like trolling or flaming. Though, I don't think you guys will see that post unless reported anyways. "LAWL"




For those who scrolled pass all that, in short, going back to my first post about this:

This is about PG-13 rulings and such that I've been wanting to put in discussion for a while now and because of the major movements of this site, and with a couple years behind those already, now seems like a good time to bring this up. I'm touching base on some of the contexts of the site being PG-13 for its user participation subsections, so it's about blood and what's seen as allowable as "PG-13".
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I appreciate your concern.
Please allow me to worry about the forums.
I believe that our forum rules are quite clear.
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Bjaker wrote:

I appreciate your concern.
Please allow me to worry about the forums.
I believe that our forum rules are quite clear.


Thanks for taking the time to read that. I hope that some perspective from a long time forum user/customer would be of good use. If any changes are considered, I look forward to them. Again, thanks.
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I wish they had ramen carts/stands in this part of the world. i wanna experience sitting out at night munching on fresh hot ramen under the stars.
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I wish they had ramen carts/stands in this part of the world. i wanna experience sitting out at night munching on fresh hot ramen under the stars.


You know Bedlam a man who never eats a .... cup ramen..... is never a whole man.

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Bedlam wrote:

I wish they had ramen carts/stands in this part of the world. i wanna experience sitting out at night munching on fresh hot ramen under the stars.

U know, why doesn't anybody do that here? I mean, there are hot dog stands, cotton candy stands, etc., but no ramen cart stands (or at least I've never seen any here in the States).
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No, moderators simply go in stand-by mode. When someone makes a report, a moderator flickers on and deals with it.

Depending on the model and age of the moderator, it can take anywhere from 5 seconds to hours. It can sometimes take very long because some of the models are a bit faulty and starts repeating a previous process so they can't get started on the actual report.

But overall it works out nicely.

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