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Opinion are not equal.
Posted 3/18/13
Looks like you have a partner here Vega.
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Are you talking about TAO_Arecibo?
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Posted 3/18/13

trinkit wrote:


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If you accept logic, you'd be correct.

And if you don’t, then you are accepting as fact that logic is illogical and are basing your premise on paradoxical thinking.


No, not necessarily. You are simply saying that you don't trust logic.
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ursae wrote:

Looks like you have a partner here Vega.


Lol, maybe, maybe not. You see, I'm a postmodern pragmatist, so I have the postmodern side that sees everything as subjective. But I also have the pragmatist side that sees value in assuming things even if you cannot provide proof or evidence behind them. So in a sense, I grab from both worlds... I wouldn't be too surprised if Vega disagreed with my pragmatist side, in the way that I use it. Then again, maybe he wouldn't disagree, I dunno.
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Posted 3/21/13

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

You have your opinion, I have my opinion!
This is a well used comment in this forum.

Let us look closer at this Ideal. First what this statement is insinuating that all opinions are equal.
Now if you think about it its far from the truth. Opinions are not equal so using this comment to end the debate is "bullshit. ( do to lack of a better word)"
Opinions are not equals!

That is like saying that the sky is blue because the sky is a Giant Ice dome like roof covering the earth. This opinion holds little to no Value because it is base on no evidence just plain uneducated ignorance.
What makes people think you have your opinion and I have my opinion is a good Point?
Opinions are not equals, if a opinion is base on evidence and well known facts, than that opinion should be respected more than an opinion base on "Blind Faith" Sorry the word fits..

It is those people in this forum non-the-less who use that statement to end any debate, allows them to save face.
But should people be allowed to use such a remark wen in any forum not just the ED.
I find it really hard to respect someone who would say the earth is flat, then wen you explain to them how that is not so, they use the you have your opinion I have my opinion comment as if that makes them just as right as you are. As if opinions are all equals.

Now what is your Opinion on Opinions.
And sorry about it coming out kinda like a rant.
This opinion thing just happens way to much in my opinion.


Ps.. I was ain a head on car crash and do to that been away for a wile. I still Can not walk, but it seems all my threads had been closed I like that explain to me as well. (because that was rude to close my threads just because I was unable to get to a computer.)


If feel some r/atheism undertones here....

You obviously have no idea what an opinion is; this analogy doesn't really make sense, because what makes the sky blue is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. What makes the sky blue is not a subjective matter. It can't be my "opinion" that apples come from palm trees, because that's simply factually wrong, so it isn't really an "opinion". Thinking that a movie of song is good is completely subjective, so obviously no one's opinion is greater than the other, so please stop being a stupid buttmad atheist tool.

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AllTsunNoDere wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

You have your opinion, I have my opinion!
This is a well used comment in this forum.

Let us look closer at this Ideal. First what this statement is insinuating that all opinions are equal.
Now if you think about it its far from the truth. Opinions are not equal so using this comment to end the debate is "bullshit. ( do to lack of a better word)"
Opinions are not equals!

That is like saying that the sky is blue because the sky is a Giant Ice dome like roof covering the earth. This opinion holds little to no Value because it is base on no evidence just plain uneducated ignorance.
What makes people think you have your opinion and I have my opinion is a good Point?
Opinions are not equals, if a opinion is base on evidence and well known facts, than that opinion should be respected more than an opinion base on "Blind Faith" Sorry the word fits..

It is those people in this forum non-the-less who use that statement to end any debate, allows them to save face.
But should people be allowed to use such a remark wen in any forum not just the ED.
I find it really hard to respect someone who would say the earth is flat, then wen you explain to them how that is not so, they use the you have your opinion I have my opinion comment as if that makes them just as right as you are. As if opinions are all equals.

Now what is your Opinion on Opinions.
And sorry about it coming out kinda like a rant.
This opinion thing just happens way to much in my opinion.


Ps.. I was ain a head on car crash and do to that been away for a wile. I still Can not walk, but it seems all my threads had been closed I like that explain to me as well. (because that was rude to close my threads just because I was unable to get to a computer.)


If feel some r/atheism undertones here....

You obviously have no idea what an opinion is; this analogy doesn't really make sense, because what makes the sky blue is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. What makes the sky blue is not a subjective matter. It can't be my "opinion" that apples come from palm trees, because that's simply factually wrong, so it isn't really an "opinion". Thinking that a movie of song is good is completely subjective, so obviously no one's opinion is greater than the other, so please stop being a stupid buttmad atheist tool.



wrong..
Opinions can be based on facts, or based on misinformation. Even if you know the facts behind a function, it is still an opinion wen in a general area with other people and peers.

Your remarks and attacks on atheism in a non-atheist thread is not needed, keep your emotions and ignorance at the door.
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You sound like you had a good concept in mind but I would advise you Darkphoenix to choose your words carefully.

This is just my two cents worth so take it for whatever it is

I strongly disagree with your idea that not all Opinions are equal. Opinions are equal. They are so because of what an opinion is. An opinion is a person's conceptual view on something. This is regardless of whether it is based on fact or fantasy. That is what makes an opinion an opinion.

Now where I DO agree with you is the simple truth of CONTRADICTION. A Fact cannot be one thing but also be another thing. The world doesn't work that way. I feel like this is what you were going for. Some people's opinions are not based on facts at all and are greatly full of crap. That is true, but it is the simple reasoning that they don't have the facts. It is not because their opinion is somehow beneath yours. If there is a contradiction the person is either lying his butt off, or they are scared and do not want to face reality. But again, their opinion is their opinion and nothing more. Don't attack it, but attack the contradiction.

So again, I advise you to choose your words carefully is all because at times it sounded almost borderline elitist, even though I know that was not what you were going for.

Words make all the difference.

But yeah your overall intention, I generally agree with
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Posted 5/16/13
Opinions are of equal value, reasoning is not. You can test the validity of any reasoning that supports an opinion for contradictions and the like. however, the opinion or interpretation or whatever you want to call it, it has no inherit value.

The idea behind stating an opinion is to back it up with logical reasoning to convince other people to come to the same conclusion. The weight of your opinion lies entirely within your reasoning.
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Posted 5/19/13

TAO_Arecibo wrote:


trinkit wrote:


TAO_Arecibo wrote:
If you accept logic, you'd be correct.

And if you don’t, then you are accepting as fact that logic is illogical and are basing your premise on paradoxical thinking.


No, not necessarily. You are simply saying that you don't trust logic.


But you would offer an alternative proof? Or none at all? What do you put in place of logic? As we have understood that some logic is inherent in the brain's function.
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Posted 5/19/13
Opinions are measured based on how much persuasion they have backed by supporting evidence or facts.
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Posted 5/19/13
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Posted 5/19/13 , edited 5/19/13

Aryth wrote:


TAO_Arecibo wrote:


trinkit wrote:


TAO_Arecibo wrote:
If you accept logic, you'd be correct.

And if you don’t, then you are accepting as fact that logic is illogical and are basing your premise on paradoxical thinking.


No, not necessarily. You are simply saying that you don't trust logic.


But you would offer an alternative proof? Or none at all? What do you put in place of logic?


Well, why do you need something in place of logic? Generally people who don't accept logic don't use something else instead (or so I have heard). So it differs a bit from 'theories of truth' (correspondance, coherence, pragmatic, etc) where one is nearly always replaced by another. They don't necessarily replace it.


As we have understood that some logic is inherent in the brain's function.


People who don't think logic is correct would disagree it's inherent though. After all, they don't trust logic, so what others have reasoned out using logic would not necessarily be trustable either.

Mind you, personally I trust logic, it's just people aren't obligated to trust it if you know what I mean.
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Posted 5/19/13 , edited 5/19/13

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:
Opinions are not equals!


In other news water is wet, the pope shits in the woods, and English is difficult.
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Posted 5/21/13

botogamer wrote:

So again, I advise you to choose your words carefully is all because at times it sounded almost borderline elitist, even though I know that was not what you were going for.

Words make all the difference.

But yeah your overall intention, I generally agree with


I want to agree with you, but his tone was more ranting and less opening a discussion. Asking for rebuttals doesn't usually go anywhere productive.
I like that most of the discussion went ahead and opened with their stances, but it focused on defining what is right, wrong, and logic instead of the purpose and appeal of an opinion.
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Posted 5/21/13

GumboVariations wrote:


botogamer wrote:

So again, I advise you to choose your words carefully is all because at times it sounded almost borderline elitist, even though I know that was not what you were going for.

Words make all the difference.

But yeah your overall intention, I generally agree with


I want to agree with you, but his tone was more ranting and less opening a discussion. Asking for rebuttals doesn't usually go anywhere productive.
I like that most of the discussion went ahead and opened with their stances, but it focused on defining what is right, wrong, and logic instead of the purpose and appeal of an opinion.


Haha yeah I noticed that too. But I don't know why people start threads if they just want to rant and not have a discussion about it. That is the very nature of a thread, to bring people together and talk about it.
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