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Do you know how to speak Japanese??
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Posted 3/17/13

suikojay wrote:


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Also, what tense is はなしましょ? Actually, a better question would be: what is the difference between asking someone:
にほんごをはなしましょか and にほんごをはなしますか。 I know the latter is the polite form of asking if someone speaks Japanese.


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Every time someone writes in romaji, a little bit of the Japanese language dies.

Don't worry, I didn't use any ロマジ this time, lol!



はな is "to speak" and since it is a "ru" verb the dicktionary form would be はなる

にほんごをはなしましょうか means "let's speak Japanese shall we?" . the か signifies a question, literally in the case meaning "shall we?"
ましよう is the tense for "Let's". but this tense and many others can be very casually used, for example...

いきましよう。"let's go" formal version
"いこ" "let's go" casual version. I put this in quotations because we were taught never to write this, and only to speak like this to a close friend or younger sibling.

writing is not really my forte, but im much better at speaking, and my reading is fine. thanks for catching that in my writing! ども!
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xtangle wrote:



はな is flowers... u mean はなす - to speak...
and にほんごをはなしましょうか---- would sound way better にほんごをはなしましょうね---


はな is flowers, nose, and more as a noun. はなす is speak, separate, release as a verb depending on the context or the kanji; if you are holding onto someone's arm and they say はなしてください!it means to please let go, not to please speak to them generally! In a way はな really is the root of all those verbs as the す part changes depending on the conjugation, はなして、はなせ、はなせます、はなさせられる。。。 And in many ways you can think of はなして as はな speaking and the to do verb form して. It helps when listening if you hear just the はな part and you are expecting a verb, otherwise you will need to listen for all the verb forms of はな、by just listening for はな you can then listen for the rest of the verb. You generally know by the preceding particle if a verb is coming rather than a flower... or a nose!


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heh ty for the info ;p it sounds crazy expensive in tokyo x.x--- hope its cheaper for university students--


Students would live more cheaply. If I'd been paying my own way I would not have got such a nice big apartment!
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ouu, my teacher told me the verbs in plane form end with U--- but it has 3 different groups (U - IRU/ERU - SURU/KURU)
u only worked there right? ;o
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ouu, my teacher told me the verbs in plane form end with U--- but it has 3 different groups (U - IRU/ERU - SURU/KURU)
u only worked there right? ;o


Yes, that's right but remember that the "plain form" is still a form of the verb, it is not the root of the verb. This is important to remember later when you need to change them. Like seeing is みる but ugly or literally "difficult to look at" is みにくい so the る is completely chopped off and yet it is still the verb for see and you can add にくい to other verb stems to make it difficult to do or you can add やすい for easy to do.

Do listen to your teacher, for sure, but realize that they teach you some things simply in the beginning when really they are not so simple...
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miru is 2nd group (iru) ur supposed to chop ru when changing it--- mimasu--- mimashita --etc) 1st group would be like shiru-shirimasu<< does it apply to all? idk now im a bit comfused ;p
i know there are exceptions like kaeru - to return --and etc which are 1st group not 2nd so it would be kaerimasu instead
do you know where to get the japanese keyboard?
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miru is 2nd group (iru) ur supposed to chop ru when changing it--- mimasu--- mimashita --etc) 1st group would be like shiru-shirimasu<< does it apply to all? idk now im a bit comfused ;p
i know there are exceptions like kaeru - to return --and etc which are 1st group not 2nd so it would be kaerimasu instead


Yes, you're right. Just saying that the す part will change for はなす which you know. While not chopped off it changes. The unchanging part is はな. I mostly mean I think it is easier to think of はな than はなす as you won't hear はなす very often, just when saying はなすことができます or はなすつもり or something like that but whatever works for you.

And do listen to your teacher! Some things that are simply explained at first are then revealed to be not quite so simple later on.


i know there are exceptions like kaeru - to return --and etc which are 1st group not 2nd so it would be kaerimasu instead
do you know where to get the japanese keyboard? :P


And types with verb forms える become the other type once they have the える in the conjugation...

You don't really need a Japanese keyboard, just install the IME but I assume you have already done so. The Japanese keyboard really just has the hiragana on the keys in case you want to type directly in hiragana which almost no one does and it has built in keys for switching modes but you can just you ALT-`, ALT-TAB, ALT-CAPS and CTRL-CAPS to change modes.
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idk why but seeing u type はな as speak bothers xDD unless はな alone does mean talk~~ maybe its the studying methods what is causing confusion here ;p since i got my own and u got ur own
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idk why but seeing u type はな as speak bothers xDD unless はな alone does mean talk~~ maybe its the studying methods what is causing confusion here ;p since i got my own and u got ur own


It does mean speak on its own. If you use kanji you will see why. はなす is 話す so you see the kanji part 話 and the following す modifying 送り仮名 or in just hiragana おくりがな. But listen to your teacher, don't let me confuse you! Once you are done formal education, we can talk again...
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i know that part ;p but in kanji is a different story--- i am not connecting the words cose there are many alike which dont really have to do with eachother---- or at least for now--- i rather do it this way 花 - flower / はな - flowers / はなす - to speak --- i think u might get what i mean
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Posted 3/17/13 , edited 3/17/13

xtangle wrote:



i know that part ;p but in kanji is a different story--- i am not connecting the words cose there are many alike which dont really have to do with eachother---- or at least for now--- i rather do it this way 花 - flower / はな - flowers / はなす - to speak --- i think u might get what i mean


Yes, I do get what you mean and はなす / 話す is definitely the word for "to speak" but at the same time はなして / 話して is the word for "speaking" as a verb and はなし / 話 being the noun for "speech" makes it complicated... Just saying it isn't as simple as it appears. All of my examples are really single words, the first two being verbs for speaking and the last a noun for speech, all with はな / 話 in them. You are correct that alone はな would never be used for speech as a whole word.

Edit: oh and more fun is that はなして / 話して for speaking can also be はなして / 話し手 for the speaker, the person who is speaking. Only by context or by kanji can you tell the difference. Puns are fairly easy to construct in Japanese but difficult to understand at times!
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I can speak a little Japanese. I've been studying nihongo for about a year now, and I know the basics. I'm gonna try to learn how to write in Japanese now~! ^^
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話す is the proper dictionary form. はな is not "to speak", it's just the kun'yomi of the kanji. A verb is only a verb when it's in its proper, conjugated form--that includes all necessary okurigana (the hiragana grammatical components which follow kanji and denote its proper conjugation) All dictionaries list their verbs in dictionary form. So 話す. Period.

I understand he's just trying to make it easier on you for morphing its form, but it's unnecessary. Learn the proper dictionary form and then you can easily change it to whatever base you need to (話せ、はなして、話そう、etc. It all follows the same patterns, so there's no need to learn it any way other than the right way.
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Posted 3/18/13 , edited 3/18/13
Learn it the correct way for sure.

Then see how it is to listen to someone speaking, and you may see what I mean... In casual speech you will find you need to be less worried about the polite, correct way you are taught, less strict about the exact rules. With many people speaking at once you will notice sentences and words left unfinished and you will learn to understand what is meant even when incomplete. Verbs are frequently omitted entirely since they are at or near the end of the sentence so be prepared...
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Posted 3/18/13
Of course, I'm Japanese.
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Posted 3/18/13

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Of course, I'm Japanese.




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