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Posted 3/8/13
I don't care if the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce are done for political purposes or not.

The use of drones to kill anyone without an open unbiased court trial with a conviction by peers for a crime that has occurred for which there is an execution penalty mandated is simply murder and the chain from the operator to the man who made the decision should stand trial for premeditated murder. The is no governmental immunity written in the USA constitution. We have an elective dictatorship.
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lordseth23 wrote:


What makes you think that the government is even close to being on moral high ground on the rule of law and due process? Why does it need to be hypocritical?



The issue here is the president making a personal kill list and when it's OK to kill him/her with no other judicial oversight and our government becoming less and less accountable. What if he were to militarizing the war on dissent? There are lots of other tools to bring people to justice, but extra judicial killings should not be the one, for a nation which claims to be a nation of laws.
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trinkit wrote:


The issue here is the president making a personal kill list and when it's OK to kill him/her with no other judicial oversight and our government becoming less and less accountable. What if he were to militarizing the war on dissent? There are lots of other tools to bring people to justice, but extra judicial killings should not be the one, for a nation which claims to be a nation of laws.


Exactly, which is why the government is not even close to being on a moral high ground. The only tool that should be used to bring people to justice is language.
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From what little I have read from this conversation, I have to statements to offer.

1. "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind'' - Ghandi
2. And life isn't fair.

That is all.
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Posted 3/8/13

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Because that's worked so well in the past. Beautifully in Russia. Fantastically in Germany.

How about no.


Then why should government even exist in the first place?
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Posted 3/9/13

lordseth23 wrote:



Then why should government even exist in the first place?


Your preferred debating tactic seems to be the construction of strawmen. Isn't this conversation about drones and the abuse of power? If you wish to discuss anarchy, shouldn't you begin another thread?
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trinkit wrote:

Your preferred debating tactic seems to be the construction of strawmen. Isn't this conversation about drones and the abuse of power? If you wish to discuss anarchy, shouldn't you begin another thread?


Why would there ever be a conversation about drones and the abuse of power? Why do you think it is even debatable?
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All humans should be equally important.
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VintageVengeance wrote:

All humans should be equally important.


Exactly.
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Posted 3/9/13

VintageVengeance wrote:

All humans should be equally important.


Then why should we support a government that kills innocent people?
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Posted 3/10/13

lordseth23 wrote:


VintageVengeance wrote:

All humans should be equally important.


Then why should we support a government that kills innocent people?


Oftentimes I wonder the same. Though how you present the question makes it a generalization that the whole of any state's population supports its government's actions, of which some states do not require consensus of its constituency or opinion derived from the populace, the United States in some parts fitting the unneeded consensus from the citizenry.
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lordseth23 wrote:


VintageVengeance wrote:

All humans should be equally important.


Then why should we support a government that kills innocent people?
Because it's easier and the people being killed are just small fragments of the larger picture

Ultimately because they are not Americans
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Posted 9/6/13 , edited 9/6/13

FlyinDumpling wrote:

Because it's easier and the people being killed are just small fragments of the larger picture

Ultimately because they are not Americans


Then why do you not kill me instead, because I am certainly not part of that larger picture as well.
Posted 9/6/13

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Being smart removes the need to persuade anyone, it's too late for questions like this. The public were outsmarted years ago.


This was my previous reply so it's clear that i'm not bothered by what's right or wrong.

After reading the article. In a way, these US citizens have been traced to where they went to get military training etc.. (e.g. Pakistan). So, if they get killed by drones outside of the country it's the same as getting killed in the country.

It's not really a question of hypocrisy.
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People should be each as important as one another but people are selfish and odd, so they aren't.

You support a government because you have to unless you want to be thrown in jail somewhere. You really have no choice since there is no way you'd win against a government by yourself. Also, it's easier to turn a blind eye to injustices than to address them, since there are simply too many for one person to handle. To not support a governing body you would have to find a remote place not within the boundaries of any established territory and live there away from civilization.

Governments are here to prevent people from going all savage and slaying one another. It's a large-scale human effort to consciously get along with fellow human beings and to manage the ever-growing population and cities. Governments provide protection and establish rules. And, as in everything else, life isn't fair. The rules are not fair. Humans still show their animal side from time to time.
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