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You know what, you are right. I didn't do a good job of trying to explain why I don't like it. Well, let me enlighten you. In my last tirade, I explained how Oreimo does in fact pander. However I didn't explain why I dislike it (I stated why, however now that I reread it the next day, I realize that when I stated it, it seemed kind of like a side tangent), so here is the reason why.

In Japan, there has been an ever growing problem, where many people decide that it is better to live for watching anime and playing videogames. I know you have seen at least a few of these characters in anime, but some examples of characters who are outright callouts to this group of people who are actually real are Saito from Welcome to the NHK!, and Mitsuo, from Persona 4. These people lead a very unhealthy lifestyle, and are pretty much considered to be the second worst tier of Japanese society (These people are only considered to be better than criminals). I see this show as pandering to this audience of people, telling them that it is ok to have no ambition other than buying the next gaoh game that happens to come out next.

These characters might be embarrassed that they are Otaku, but when it comes down to it, they refuse to admit they have a problem. They only hide the games and anime because they didn't want to get in trouble with their parents. I know what you are going to say. Whats wrong with liking anime? You like anime too, right? Well, yes, I love anime, but Kirino (The sister character) didn't only watch a lot of anime. She also consistently plays pornographic games that are aimed at 30-year old, single, low-income men with lolita-complexes and sister-complexes. Keep in mind that she is in middle school. In Japan, young girls are considered the purest kind of people in general, so the fact that a middleschooler is playing their lolita-sister pornogames is basically enforcing the idea that you can be pure and still play these games, which in my opinion of completely untrue. If you want to play them, I say go for it, but don't lie to yourself and say that it is normal, or socially acceptable to do these things with your imaginary waifu. At least take responsibility for your passtimes. Sure, if this was a show about why watching anime shouldn't be frowned upon by society, I would be all for it, but that is not the main idea of the show. The main idea of the show is in telling people who have given up their lives to these shows and games that they have no problem.
If someone wanted to live the N.E.E.T lifestyle, I wouldn't make fun of them, I wouldn't think less of them, and I would probably treat them the same way, because when it comes down to it, it is not my job to tell other people how to live. But if someone were to tell me that living that lifestyle is completely healthy, normal, and socially acceptable, I would have to disagree.

So there you have it. I have a problem with the basic meaning behind the story.

Also, just to be clear, I am probably going to finish at least one season of Oreimo eventually (I am currently watching 4 series at once, so it will probably be later), but I stand by my argument, and I certainly think 7 episodes are enough to judge what a show is like in general if it is a 12 episode series, because 7 episodes is most of the series. I believe that if you watch over half of a series and don't like it, then you have the right to drop it, and still consider it a show that isn't very good. The reason I haven't finished the first season is because I didn't even know there was a second season until you mentioned it, so now by my own logic, I kind of have to finish at least one season to consider myself versed in most of the series. If my opinion changes, then I will delete these posts, but that probably wont happen.
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You know what, you are right. I didn't do a good job of trying to explain why I don't like it. Well, let me enlighten you. In my last tirade, I explained how Oreimo does in fact pander. However I didn't explain why I dislike it (I stated why, however now that I reread it the next day, I realize that when I stated it, it seemed kind of like a side tangent), so here is the reason why.

In Japan, there has been an ever growing problem, where many people decide that it is better to live for watching anime and playing videogames. I know you have seen at least a few of these characters in anime, but some examples of characters who are outright callouts to this group of people who are actually real are Saito from Welcome to the NHK!, and Mitsuo, from Persona 4. These people lead a very unhealthy lifestyle, and are pretty much considered to be the second worst tier of Japanese society (These people are only considered to be better than criminals). I see this show as pandering to this audience of people, telling them that it is ok to have no ambition other than buying the next gaoh game that happens to come out next.

These characters might be embarrassed that they are Otaku, but when it comes down to it, they refuse to admit they have a problem. They only hide the games and anime because they didn't want to get in trouble with their parents. I know what you are going to say. Whats wrong with liking anime? You like anime too, right? Well, yes, I love anime, but Kirino (The sister character) didn't only watch a lot of anime. She also consistently plays pornographic games that are aimed at 30-year old, single, low-income men with lolita-complexes and sister-complexes. Keep in mind that she is in middle school. In Japan, young girls are considered the purest kind of people in general, so the fact that a middleschooler is playing their lolita-sister pornogames is basically enforcing the idea that you can be pure and still play these games, which in my opinion of completely untrue. If you want to play them, I say go for it, but don't lie to yourself and say that it is normal, or socially acceptable to do these things with your imaginary waifu. At least take responsibility for your passtimes. Sure, if this was a show about why watching anime shouldn't be frowned upon by society, I would be all for it, but that is not the main idea of the show. The main idea of the show is in telling people who have given up their lives to these shows and games that they have no problem.
If someone wanted to live the N.E.E.T lifestyle, I wouldn't make fun of them, I wouldn't think less of them, and I would probably treat them the same way, because when it comes down to it, it is not my job to tell other people how to live. But if someone were to tell me that living that lifestyle is completely healthy, normal, and socially acceptable, I would have to disagree.

So there you have it. I have a problem with the basic meaning behind the story.

Also, just to be clear, I am probably going to finish at least one season of Oreimo eventually (I am currently watching 4 series at once, so it will probably be later), but I stand by my argument, and I certainly think 7 episodes are enough to judge what a show is like in general if it is a 12 episode series, because 7 episodes is most of the series. I believe that if you watch over half of a series and don't like it, then you have the right to drop it, and still consider it a show that isn't very good. The reason I haven't finished the first season is because I didn't even know there was a second season until you mentioned it, so now by my own logic, I kind of have to finish at least one season to consider myself versed in most of the series. If my opinion changes, then I will delete these posts, but that probably wont happen.


Fascinating, if you have watched episode 3 of Oreimo, your argument seems to be exactly the same as Daisuke Kousaka (The father) Which was one of my favorite arguments of the series. But you seem to have a moral problem with the story, you don't seem to have a structural problem with the story. You have a problem with the message but I still don't think Oreimo is morally reprehensible

If you do remember episode 3 of Oreimo. The father was trying to make a point in that the lifestyle Kirino lives is absolutely wrong and will eventually lead her to failure. Kyosuke makes the point that Kirino is an incredibly strong and successful middle schooler and that her sick obsession has had absolutely no negative repercussions on who she is or her successes. To say that those kinds of hobbies should be frowned upon is not very morally universal, who are you or I to say that the hobby is wrong? I personally think it's disgusting but then again, I think the SAW movies and any person who likes movies about gore and violence are messed up as well, but they aren't going to be serial killers even if the Human centipede is completely disgusting and wrong. So I would imagine if you did remember episode 3, you would have sided with the father instead of Kyosuke

Also you said "f you want to play them, I say go for it, but don't lie to yourself and say that it is normal, or socially acceptable to do these things with your imaginary waifu. At least take responsibility for your passtimes" Well I distinctly remember in Episode 1 that Kirino did admit that her hobby was weird. She has never tried to pass it off as normal, neither did Kyosuke, the point was not to justify the normality of these hobbies, the point was to not make her feel to bad about it and claim that these games are a part of her identity and cannot be taken away, but I don't remember them ever trying to say that it was normal.
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There isn't a single show that I can say I hate the most, but here are a few shows that do create a burning passion of hatred inside me every time I try to watch them:

K-on: I was hoping for another cool, music based anime (Like BECK: Mongolian Chop Squad). Sadly, there is very little actual music in K-on, and the little bit of it that is there is lackluster. Seriously, you would think from the quality of the show's opening that K-on would have a ton of awesome animated musical acts, but sadly it is not to be.

Elfen Lied: There is not nearly as much gore as people say there is in this show. The only really gory parts are all in the first half of the first episode. I realize this is Studio Arms we are talking about here, so maybe this might be me asking a little too much, but I would appreciate less nudity in my non-hentai anime. I can accept shows like Mezzo Forte and whatnot, because those were originally hentai that get non-hentai versions or spin-offs made because they were actually pretty good, but it is my understanding that Elfen Lied was not supposed to be a hentai. Ever. I am one of those people who doesn't really like fanservice outside of shows that are designed to be full of fanservice already. But Elfen Lied takes fanservice to a whole new level.

Sword Art Online: There really isn't anything good about this show at all other than the animation quality. The characters are bland. The supposedly riveting death scenes that I was told existed in the first few episodes were boring, and had pretty much the same effect as Another's death scenes (in other words, because none of the characters were characterized, their deaths didn't really mean anything to me), only unlike Another, there was no gore. At least Another's deaths could still be disturbing because of their gore factor even if you didn't feel anything from their death scenes. SAO's were just boring. The action was meh, and the story was laughably hilarious. Seriously, I don't think I can name a story with more plot holes.

Devil May Cry: I just have one question for the people who made this anime. How can you takes one of the best videogame franchises (A franchise that has some of the best action scenes I have ever seen, in any medium) and make it so boring? Seriously, the action is either bland, or off screen, and the writing for 3/4 of the series is bad. There are a few episodes that are well done, but that is still unacceptable.

Oreimo: I can accept that some shows that pander to the Otaku fetishes can be good. Hell, I like a lot of Key Visual Novel anime adaptations, and those are full of Otaku fetishes. But there is a point where I have to draw the line, and a show about playing porno games with your sister is where I am drawing it. People keep telling me it is good, and I am dissapointed every time I retry it.

Gurren Lagann: Every time someone states this is their favorite mech show, I die a little bit inside. It is true I have never been a big fan of super-robot shows (Real-robots ftw) but Gurren Lagann takes it to the point where the show actually manages to give me headaches. The worst part, is that the show had a ton of potential. That first episode was cool. I think if they did a City of Ember style, we need to leave the underground city and find the surface kind of story, with the robot as their vehicle, it could have been pretty interesting. Sadly, we got a lot of two-dimensional characters, a dumb story, and a lot of bullshit explanations.

One Piece: OK, I can't say I hate One Piece, but I did watch about 20 episodes, and I was bored to tears by all of them. I really don't see why it is so popular.


Did you just say Sword Art Online was bad? Noone hates SAO, it's like bacon, how could you hate a masterpiece such as SAO?

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Willwatch4food wrote:

There isn't a single show that I can say I hate the most, but here are a few shows that do create a burning passion of hatred inside me every time I try to watch them:

K-on: I was hoping for another cool, music based anime (Like BECK: Mongolian Chop Squad). Sadly, there is very little actual music in K-on, and the little bit of it that is there is lackluster. Seriously, you would think from the quality of the show's opening that K-on would have a ton of awesome animated musical acts, but sadly it is not to be.

Elfen Lied: There is not nearly as much gore as people say there is in this show. The only really gory parts are all in the first half of the first episode. I realize this is Studio Arms we are talking about here, so maybe this might be me asking a little too much, but I would appreciate less nudity in my non-hentai anime. I can accept shows like Mezzo Forte and whatnot, because those were originally hentai that get non-hentai versions or spin-offs made because they were actually pretty good, but it is my understanding that Elfen Lied was not supposed to be a hentai. Ever. I am one of those people who doesn't really like fanservice outside of shows that are designed to be full of fanservice already. But Elfen Lied takes fanservice to a whole new level.

Sword Art Online: There really isn't anything good about this show at all other than the animation quality. The characters are bland. The supposedly riveting death scenes that I was told existed in the first few episodes were boring, and had pretty much the same effect as Another's death scenes (in other words, because none of the characters were characterized, their deaths didn't really mean anything to me), only unlike Another, there was no gore. At least Another's deaths could still be disturbing because of their gore factor even if you didn't feel anything from their death scenes. SAO's were just boring. The action was meh, and the story was laughably hilarious. Seriously, I don't think I can name a story with more plot holes.

Devil May Cry: I just have one question for the people who made this anime. How can you takes one of the best videogame franchises (A franchise that has some of the best action scenes I have ever seen, in any medium) and make it so boring? Seriously, the action is either bland, or off screen, and the writing for 3/4 of the series is bad. There are a few episodes that are well done, but that is still unacceptable.

Oreimo: I can accept that some shows that pander to the Otaku fetishes can be good. Hell, I like a lot of Key Visual Novel anime adaptations, and those are full of Otaku fetishes. But there is a point where I have to draw the line, and a show about playing porno games with your sister is where I am drawing it. People keep telling me it is good, and I am dissapointed every time I retry it.

Gurren Lagann: Every time someone states this is their favorite mech show, I die a little bit inside. It is true I have never been a big fan of super-robot shows (Real-robots ftw) but Gurren Lagann takes it to the point where the show actually manages to give me headaches. The worst part, is that the show had a ton of potential. That first episode was cool. I think if they did a City of Ember style, we need to leave the underground city and find the surface kind of story, with the robot as their vehicle, it could have been pretty interesting. Sadly, we got a lot of two-dimensional characters, a dumb story, and a lot of bullshit explanations.

One Piece: OK, I can't say I hate One Piece, but I did watch about 20 episodes, and I was bored to tears by all of them. I really don't see why it is so popular.


Did you just say Sword Art Online was bad? Noone hates SAO, it's like bacon, how could you hate a masterpiece such as SAO?



I stated why in my argument. Bland characters. Boring death scenes. Meh action. Ridiculous story. A lot of plot holes.
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School days i hated it so much i never fineshed it thats how much i hated it
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i hate my bride is a mermaid it was really annoying
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