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What philosophical beliefs do you have?
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So, if you have read my profile information you would know that I love philosophy. I believe that it helps us understand the meaning of things, even when their is 'proof'.
I love listening to what people believe in and their opinions about anything.

The nice thing about philosophy is that you don't need a understanding of something to understand it.

Let me first start this topic off with something that I came up with the other day (It's not my full opinion on it, just some of it)


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Let me start by first asking you the question "What are emotions?" Now, let me state that I am not looking for the definition of what an emotion is, I think that we all know exactly what emotions are. But, what I mean by it is where are our emotions. I gave it long thought and what I did was put myself into an emotional state, where I would think about things that would effect my emotions in some fashion. By doing that I was actually able to locate where we feel emotions.

Let me first ask you to think of something emotional that has happened to you in your life. Something that has affected you so deeply that you can't tell anyone no matter what. Let me ask you, where do you feel your emotion? Do you feel it in your chest (heart) or in your head (brain)?

Alright, now we are on the same page and I can continue what I was saying earlier.

Most likely, I know it did with me, you are NOT going to feel it anywhere else but your heart. When you are sad, you don't feel sad in your head, you feel the pain that sadness brings in your heart. When someone angers you, emotion inside you builds up, not in your brain, but in your heart. That is when you feel your chest getting tighter and you feel like you are about to explode.

That brings me to my next observation. That is that our brains are incapable of feeling emotions. And that our brains are only reacting in the way that it is told to by your heart. Yes I know, that everything is controlled by the brain. But, what if it weren't? What if our hearts and our brains are two separate entities that connect to each other through emotions? Could such a thing even be possible? Well, I am not going to say it is, but it is a logical answer to why we feel pain in our hearts and not our brains.

My second theory on the reason we don't feel pain in our brains is because of evolution. Evolution has taught us to erase all emotions from our palette of colors. And that makes perfect sense, because when you look at it, emotions are actually detrimental to survival. Sacrificing yourself for someone else isn't beneficial to you, especially according to the famous line 'survival of the fittest'.

That theory is connected in someway to my first by saying that our brains and our hearts are two separate entities and they both control us in different ways. Meaning, that the emotions that we feel about anything ISN'T controlled by the brains reaction to the situation, but rather it is a reaction to your heart.

Now, I can continue on this thought for quite sometime, but I believe that you would get bored, so I am cutting it short. If you have any questions, just ask. I am always willing to listen to new ideas, but not ignorant comments.
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Never break a promise. Never make a promise you can't keep.
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This is getting awfully personal, but without divulging too much of my personal life...

I'm more of a nihilist, so I ultimately believe that life itself is pointless in the end.
As for emotions, I'm more mind-oriented, so everything I feel, redirects to the brain for me, which explains why a lot people thing I'm blunt and somewhat detached from the norm. As from what people "feel" from the heart, scientifically (I'm not sure if it's been confirmed), but there have been theories regarding cells inside the heart that are connected to the brain's emotion, hence our perception of the heart containing emotions.
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rdfury wrote:

Never break a promise. Never make a promise you can't keep.


haha, Naruto I am guessing?

Let me ask you this then.

Lets say you make an original promise to someone to help them. Then lets say some actions unfold and it is time for you to keep your promise.
Now, lets say that the actions that unfolded actually hurt the person you made the promise to. And by keeping your promise it will just hurt them more.

Let me ask you this. Should you keep your promise under every circumstance then? Or does it only apply to relevant situations where the promise would have been kept no matter what happened to the person that was affected by the unfolding events?



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This is getting awfully personal, but without divulging too much of my personal life...

I'm more of a nihilist, so I ultimately believe that life itself is pointless in the end.
As for emotions, I'm more mind-oriented, so everything I feel, redirects to the brain for me, which explains why a lot people thing I'm blunt and somewhat detached from the norm. As from what people "feel" from the heart, scientifically (I'm not sure if it's been confirmed), but there have been theories regarding cells inside the heart that are connected to the brain's emotion, hence our perception of the heart containing emotions.


Alright, I can relate to that. I am quite the same way. I don't like lying to people so I am straight forward with them for the most part.

And replying to your "life is pointless in the end", yes it maybe, and it maybe not. But who are we to decide that?



P.S. Don't worry what other people think of you. It is all in your head You are a unique individual and there is no one in the world like you. Even if you have faults ( everyone does ), just accept them and don't let them get under your skin. Find something that you love to do. I love talking about philosophy and that helps keep my mind off of my faults.

Also, one thing to consider is Determinism. I can explain it in depth if need be, but I find that knowing that there is a force out there that is having some influence on me helps me be a better person.
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Nioos wrote:

This is getting awfully personal, but without divulging too much of my personal life...

I'm more of a nihilist, so I ultimately believe that life itself is pointless in the end.
As for emotions, I'm more mind-oriented, so everything I feel, redirects to the brain for me, which explains why a lot people thing I'm blunt and somewhat detached from the norm. As from what people "feel" from the heart, scientifically (I'm not sure if it's been confirmed), but there have been theories regarding cells inside the heart that are connected to the brain's emotion, hence our perception of the heart containing emotions.


Alright, I can relate to that. I am quite the same way. I don't like lying to people so I am straight forward with them for the most part.

And replying to your "life is pointless in the end", yes it maybe, and it maybe not. But who are we to decide that?


Specifically speaking, we are to decide whether life is meaningless or not, just as people have the will to dictate what is their truth and what is not (I'm a big Nietzsche fan). While I believe that everything is meaningless in the end result, for society to survive, we can't have too many nihilists, as philosophers are to the total human population.
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You are right there in some parts.

But, I am going to say that people do have the choices to decide if something is real or not. But who is to say that they are right? If someone says there isn't a god. Then does that disprove the existence of god? Or even if society as a whole claims that god isn't existent, then does that disprove the existence of god? Or are those people just misguided in their beliefs? Are they going along with what the majority says and they are afraid of going against the group?

There is a book called "The Lucifer Effect" and there was an experiment done where there was the leader, and the leader was telling the test subject what to do, even though the test subject knew it was wrong, he still did it anyways.

I forget the actual terminology for this, but it is relevant to what you are talking about.
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My belief is that...we should enjoy every breathing, laughing, loving, moment we have with each other.
Because life's to short.
We should also treat each other with respect, avoiding unnecessary conflict.
Because...Life is to damn short!

#YOLO
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First off, saying that pain is in direct conflict with our survival doesn't make sense. The example you give of sacrificing yourself to save another as something we evolved out of. This is one of the reasons we as a race have survived this long. Mothers sacrificing them selfs for their children is insuring the continuation of the next generation.
Secondly, I don't think emotions (in the context your referring to them) could be pinpointed. The scientific reason your feeling something in your chest is simple. Your heart beats faster depending on what your thinking about.
Having said all that, I don't think emotions are something that can be located. It's not as if we could ever touch them. That's also why I believe you can't ever feel exactly what someone else is feeling.
This is just my opinion.
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schnipdip wrote:

You are right there in some parts.

But, I am going to say that people do have the choices to decide if something is real or not. But who is to say that they are right? If someone says there isn't a god. Then does that disprove the existence of god? Or even if society as a whole claims that god isn't existent, then does that disprove the existence of god? Or are those people just misguided in their beliefs? Are they going along with what the majority says and they are afraid of going against the group?

There is a book called "The Lucifer Effect" and there was an experiment done where there was the leader, and the leader was telling the test subject what to do, even though the test subject knew it was wrong, he still did it anyways.

I forget the actual terminology for this, but it is relevant to what you are talking about.


Are you talking about the Milgram Experiment concerning conformity?

Personally, I don't believe in a god or any higher spiritual entity because it's all hogwash (no offence intended to any religious people) and it was created based on a collection of stories that were used to explain events that were unexplainable to humans during ancient times.

I guess there will always be some groups that believe in a god out of an earnest belief that an almighty powerful being is watching over them, forever "benevolent" and guaranteeing them a safe passage to "heaven", since everyone loves the good.

I could go on how religion and spiritual entities in general are misleading, but I don't wish to get mauled.
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I'm not going to pretend to know everything about the whole emotion thing, but the brain is definitely still calling the shots. I've always understood that the reason we feel emotions in areas like the chest or stomach region to be a combination of things. The brain carries signals through our nervous system, like when a strong emotional feeling occurs, but the brain itself is incapable of feeling any pain so other places that are particularly nerve sensitive receive these signals and cause feeling in that area. An increase in heart rate, blood pressure, muscle tension, etc are all things that can happen during heightened emotion, which would also contribute to specific body areas like the heart or chest.

Also, bringing up evolution is interesting but I would have to disagree about emotions being detrimental to our survival. When you are feeling scared or threatened by something, you enter the fight or flight mode. Whatever you believe to be your best chance of survival is what you choose to do, but without the emotion of fear you might not register the danger at all and be killed. Then there is the emotion of love. If love or any feeling of attachment did not exist, people would not be getting together to produce offspring, or care to protect that offspring, and humanity would not survive as many generations as we have. I'm sure there is more examples I could give but you get the idea.

Now, having said all that, I actually do enjoy a good philosophical question. However, I prefer it when scientific evidence backs it up or at least doesn't disprove it. Usually the ones pertaining to existence and the universe are the most interesting to me. What I've been thinking about lately is the idea that everything we know, the universe, life itself, etc is all part of a computer simulation. There has actually been a few research studies about this and there are quite a bit of good arguments for it. If you're interested, I suggest looking up more information, but basically if we can create a simulated universe ourselves, no matter how small, then that means that it's possible for our universe to be simulated as well. We'll never know for sure but just the fact that it could be true is interesting to think about.
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Yes that would be interesting.

You don't need love to survive though. You can procreate for the sake of just survival.
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I believe that everyone is perfect, any flaws that they might see in themselves or other people see in them are just illusions of the mind or the result of circumstances that they cannot control.

Due to the scarcity of resources and the imperfection of Nature, we constantly view our lives from a competitive viewpoint. We strive to be better than others in a variety of ways, trying to leave them in the dust and ignore their existence as we struggle towards the top of a hill. We believe that at the top of this hill is everything we could possibly desire, and a perfect life can be sustained here. I think we can all agree that a perfect life would consist of happiness in its most complete form, so the question that many of us seek to answer is what makes us truly happy, for this is the only way we can make our seemingly insignificant and unfair lives meaningful and worth living. I believe that happiness comes from the relationships that we form with other people, because the only happiness that I have ever observed or experienced is directly related to strengthening and/or increasing the bonds we share with people. So if happiness can be quantified by the strength and durability of our relationships with other people, the question becomes how do we proceed to live in the most perfect way possible. Should we set a limit for the number of relationships we have in our life and just work on strengthening those relationships, or should we strive to form as many relationships as possible and strengthen all of them to the best of our ability? Which option would give us the most satisfaction?

I believe that forming as many relationships as we possibly can will give us the greatest satisfaction because our lives will be more diverse and rich with experience as a result of it. Anything less would lead to a more boring life, and I think we can all agree that we want to live a life that is as far from boring as possible. I would make the argument that anything we can think of as interesting to us personally directly leads to opportunities to form new relationships with people, so as we become more educated and aware of ourselves and what we desire, we realize that the more bonds we form with people throughout our lives, the happier we become. The only obstacle that we face in creating these bonds is in the form of trust, because we cannot form the relationships that we desire without trusting people. We struggle in trying to find trust because we are unsure of why people act the way they do, and believe that we should ignore them or violently eliminate them from our lives because we do not believe that we can ever trust them. But if we choose to empathize with them, to see the world from their eyes, we can determine exactly why they think or act the way they do and share with them a lifestyle that is in complete harmony with their soul. We are completely able to trust them once this occurs, leading to a relationship that adds more happiness to our own lives as well as theirs.

Empathy is the key to living in the most meaningful way possible.


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Lemonaded wrote:

I'm not going to pretend to know everything about the whole emotion thing, but the brain is definitely still calling the shots. I've always understood that the reason we feel emotions in areas like the chest or stomach region to be a combination of things. The brain carries signals through our nervous system, like when a strong emotional feeling occurs, but the brain itself is incapable of feeling any pain so other places that are particularly nerve sensitive receive these signals and cause feeling in that area. An increase in heart rate, blood pressure, muscle tension, etc are all things that can happen during heightened emotion, which would also contribute to specific body areas like the heart or chest.

Also, bringing up evolution is interesting but I would have to disagree about emotions being detrimental to our survival. When you are feeling scared or threatened by something, you enter the fight or flight mode. Whatever you believe to be your best chance of survival is what you choose to do, but without the emotion of fear you might not register the danger at all and be killed. Then there is the emotion of love. If love or any feeling of attachment did not exist, people would not be getting together to produce offspring, or care to protect that offspring, and humanity would not survive as many generations as we have. I'm sure there is more examples I could give but you get the idea.

Now, having said all that, I actually do enjoy a good philosophical question. However, I prefer it when scientific evidence backs it up or at least doesn't disprove it. Usually the ones pertaining to existence and the universe are the most interesting to me. What I've been thinking about lately is the idea that everything we know, the universe, life itself, etc is all part of a computer simulation. There has actually been a few research studies about this and there are quite a bit of good arguments for it. If you're interested, I suggest looking up more information, but basically if we can create a simulated universe ourselves, no matter how small, then that means that it's possible for our universe to be simulated as well. We'll never know for sure but just the fact that it could be true is interesting to think about.


the moment the brain developed enough ;o it no longer went just by survival
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Hey guys keep up the discussion and start new comments that relate to other things then what I posted
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I have a feeling schnipdip will make a counterpoint will make a counterpoint but as of now I believe that sentient beings generally will generally have a reason for doing something. Because of this a lot of misunderstanding comes from being ignorant of or unaccepting the reasons that people do things. For example when a parent asks a child to clean the room the adult's reason involves maintaining good work ethic and cleanliness which matter to the adult, however the child will view it as an unnecessary chore as the child cares not of the things adults do. Then we have cases like Newton... The shooter as "evil" as he may be very likely had a reason that at the time justified the action to him. The reason therefore need not be a good one. His reasons are frowned upon by the general public's ideals of good reasons so they victimize him. (For a reason of course!)
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