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Do you consider "Avatar - The Last Airbender" anime?
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Posted 3/23/13

Davidvauhn wrote:


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Ok, for those who say that it's not anime cause it's "made in 'Merica", then is the only difference from a cartoon and anime is the origin?
For example, "The Boondocks" is American produced but the animation is made by Madhouse. Aaron McGruder stated that he loves anime and one of his favorites was Cowboy Bebop, which is why Huey has an afro and can kick ass, mimicking Spike. and even one of the fight scenes is damn near identical to a fight in CB.


Segments of the second season were animated by madhouse, but not the entire thing.


You're right. the rest was MOI animation, which is a korean animation studio
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All I remember from that show is a bunch of guys yelling N*gger at each other.


Same here...


That's... really sad. And I'm going out on a limb here and going to assume you're not of african decent.
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So, a better question would be.. if much of Avatar's production (namely the animation) had been outsourced to Korea. Is it still considered an "American Animation"? I mean the animation Technically did not occur in America. :P

So lets all agree that it's Korean Animated.

Oh and before someone gets to it before I do. Neeeeerrrrrrds!




Outsourcing is merely a business model to obtain reduced costs (i.e. cheap labor). The animators from South Korea are not automatically programed in their DNA to draw a certain way, it's up to the creators to oversee the production and work off of production art that is created before a show is animated in an effort to show the team(s) what they want the end result to look like.

Look at Disney's Mulan - an American cartoon about a female Chinese warrior. The art style reflects the show's setting and culture. Disney hired an artist that specializes in this presentation to oversee the work and provide insight on how things should be drawn to add further ambiance to the story versus having a bunch of American artists interpret what they think is proper. The end result would have been a mess, as eight different artists will have eight different views on how to draw a house with Eastern influences.

I hope that helps clear things up a bit Spacebat.
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Quite a few Japanese animation Studios outsource their Animation to South Korea animation studios as well.

Many if not most of our favorite "American Animated Cartoons" were Actually created in an animation studio in South Korea:

Yeson Animation: Simpson's, King of the Hill, My Fairly oddparents,

MOI Animation: Justice League, Ben Ten, The Avangers,

AKOM: Batman: the animated series, Animaniacs. G.I. Joe, Earth Worm Jim,

Rough Draft Studios: Clone Wars, Futurama

That's right boy and girls everything you thought you knew and loved is a lie. How's that cake for ya? Ya, you like the taste of that out-sorced frosting dontcha?

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Posted 3/23/13

Arvindo wrote:


spacebat wrote:

So, a better question would be.. if much of Avatar's production (namely the animation) had been outsourced to Korea. Is it still considered an "American Animation"? I mean the animation Technically did not occur in America. :P

So lets all agree that it's Korean Animated.

Oh and before someone gets to it before I do. Neeeeerrrrrrds!




Outsourcing is merely a business model to obtain reduced costs (i.e. cheap labor). The animators from South Korea are not automatically programed in their DNA to draw a certain way, it's up to the creators to oversee the production and work off of production art that is created before a show is animated in an effort to show the team(s) what they want the end result to look like.

Look at Disney's Mulan - an American cartoon about a female Chinese warrior. The art style reflects the show's setting and culture. Disney hired an artist that specializes in this presentation to oversee the work and provide insight on how things should be drawn to add further ambiance to the story versus having a bunch of American artists interpret what they think is proper. The end result would have been a mess, as eight different artists will have eight different views on how to draw a house with Eastern influences.

I hope that helps clear things up a bit Spacebat.


It doesn't change the fact that everythng I know and love is a lie!
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Posted 3/23/13

spacebat wrote:


Arvindo wrote:


spacebat wrote:

So, a better question would be.. if much of Avatar's production (namely the animation) had been outsourced to Korea. Is it still considered an "American Animation"? I mean the animation Technically did not occur in America. :P

So lets all agree that it's Korean Animated.

Oh and before someone gets to it before I do. Neeeeerrrrrrds!




Outsourcing is merely a business model to obtain reduced costs (i.e. cheap labor). The animators from South Korea are not automatically programed in their DNA to draw a certain way, it's up to the creators to oversee the production and work off of production art that is created before a show is animated in an effort to show the team(s) what they want the end result to look like.

Look at Disney's Mulan - an American cartoon about a female Chinese warrior. The art style reflects the show's setting and culture. Disney hired an artist that specializes in this presentation to oversee the work and provide insight on how things should be drawn to add further ambiance to the story versus having a bunch of American artists interpret what they think is proper. The end result would have been a mess, as eight different artists will have eight different views on how to draw a house with Eastern influences.

I hope that helps clear things up a bit Spacebat.


It doesn't change the fact that everythng I know and love is a lie!


Lol, I wouldn't say that.

Too many people here are negating the fact that one culture borrows from another culture. Curry is a sauce/seasoning that originated in India, but is VERY popular in Japan, however, it's NOT the same curry - there are variations in the spices that were changed to accommodate the Japanese palate.

Going by some peoples "logic" on here, that must mean all curry is automatically Indian food, and no other culture can claim their own version(s). Japanese curry is inspired by Indian curry, just like how Avatar was inspired by Japanese animation.
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Posted 3/23/13

SweetZ913 wrote:


Gyava wrote:


Davidvauhn wrote:

All I remember from that show is a bunch of guys yelling N*gger at each other.


Same here...


That's... really sad. And I'm going out on a limb here and going to assume you're not of african decent.


Nope.
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Posted 3/23/13

Arvindo wrote:

Feel free to keep calling it an anime,



Because it's true....

But feel free to think avatar is not anime... If that will help you sleep at night.





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I just consider it a show to watch.
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chrome_mist wrote:


Arvindo wrote:

Feel free to keep calling it an anime,



Because it's true....

But feel free to think avatar is not anime... If that will help you sleep at night.







I will, especially since I drive a Lamborghini now. Thanks!
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I don't really think Avatar is anime.... But that is just my opinion,

That day, was when the Fire Nation attacked.
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Posted 3/23/13

Arvindo
Too many people here are negating the fact that one culture borrows from another culture. Curry is a sauce/seasoning that originated in India, but is VERY popular in Japan, however, it's NOT the same curry - there are variations in the spices that were changed to accommodate the Japanese palate.

Going by some peoples "logic" on here, that must mean all curry is automatically Indian food, and no other culture can claim their own version(s). Japanese curry is inspired by Indian curry, just like how Avatar was inspired by Japanese animation.


I like that Analogy Arvindo and for the most part I agree with your analysis. However for the sake of argument and i'll continue with the Curry example because I just happen to be making Massaman Beef Curry cause the girlfriend is coming over tonight.

While many cultures have taken traditional Indian curry and have infused their own cultural style into the curry, you seem to be forgetting the big pink curried elephant in the room... the curry isn't being prepared in South Korea.
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Posted 3/23/13

spacebat wrote:


Arvindo
Too many people here are negating the fact that one culture borrows from another culture. Curry is a sauce/seasoning that originated in India, but is VERY popular in Japan, however, it's NOT the same curry - there are variations in the spices that were changed to accommodate the Japanese palate.

Going by some peoples "logic" on here, that must mean all curry is automatically Indian food, and no other culture can claim their own version(s). Japanese curry is inspired by Indian curry, just like how Avatar was inspired by Japanese animation.


I like that Analogy Arvindo and for the most part I agree with your analysis. However for the sake of argument and i'll continue with the Curry example because I just happen to be making Massaman Beef Curry cause the girlfriend is coming over tonight.

While many cultures have taken traditional Indian curry and have infused their own cultural style into the curry, you seem to be forgetting the big pink curried elephant in the room... the curry isn't being prepared in South Korea. :P



I'd respond to this, but you made me freakin' HUNGRY!!!!!!

Koreans are just the labor force (I DO NOT mean that in a demeaning way), not the originators of the Avatar lore, so it's not technically their Intellectual Property. Best Buy is an American electronics company that outsources part of their customer service to India, but we are neither an Indian company, nor does Indian claim to be part of Best Buy. They just do so because it's cheaper to pay Indians to do the job than to hire local Americans who would be equally capable of doing the same job.

Now with that aside, when can I come over for dinner Spacebat...?

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Posted 3/23/13 , edited 3/23/13
No,
American graphic novel = comic. Japanese graphic novel = manga.
American animated show = cartoon. Japanese animated show = anime.

+ the voices are in English

Still it IS watchable, just not anime in my book.
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