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Do you consider "Avatar - The Last Airbender" anime?
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Anime to me is an art style.

So yes, I consider it anime.

I also think the definition of anime needs to change with the times.
See SacredBlood77 post for more on that.
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Posted 5/20/13 , edited 5/20/13

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I consider any animated television program [ That actually follows a storyline ] an anime. Any animated program I see that just has short stories contained within a 15-30 minute period a cartoon.

The original meaning of Anime was simply an animated production, produced in Japan. But to say that's all that defines anime now, isn't really doing it justice. Anime has become something more than just an animated program, it's now a genre within itself. To say it's like every other animated program in Japan, is pretty much saying cartoons are anime, and there not.

Could you re-explain this? I feel like the last sentence is (unintentionally) contradictory.

So I'm not sure what to make of it.

In either case I consider anime to be animation produced in Japan so as to reflect the cultural influences underlying its creation. I just think that's an important distinction; I wouldn't want to call American or Korean animation anime, since it'd confuse me. I want the terms to tell me what culture the show was spawned by, basically.

It's easy enough by looking to tell what style it is, but identifying the cultural influences isn't as apparent.
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Posted 5/20/13 , edited 5/20/13

Insomnist wrote:


SacredBlood77 wrote:

I consider any animated television program [ That actually follows a storyline ] an anime. Any animated program I see that just has short stories contained within a 15-30 minute period a cartoon.

The original meaning of Anime was simply an animated production, produced in Japan. But to say that's all that defines anime now, isn't really doing it justice. Anime has become something more than just an animated program, it's now a genre within itself. To say it's like every other animated program in Japan, is pretty much saying cartoons are anime, and there not.

Could you re-explain this? I feel like the last sentence is (unintentionally) contradictory.

So I'm not sure what to make of it.

In either case I consider anime to be animation produced in Japan so as to reflect the cultural influences underlying its creation. I just think that's an important distinction; I wouldn't want to call American or Korean animation anime, since it'd confuse me. I want the terms to tell me what culture the show was spawned by, basically.

It's easy enough by looking to tell what style it is, but identifying the cultural influences isn't as apparent.


Going from what he said ^:

Anime is a short way of saying animation in Japanese (derived from the word). Animation includes cartoons, so therefore anime is cartoons. Now, the Avatar The Last Airbender and its sequel, The Legend of Korra, aren't anime because they weren't from Japan. They may be influenced by a certain art style from Japan, but that isn't the same thing. It could have the same art style as Courage the Cowardly Dog - would you still consider it anime then, if it has "cartoony" aethestics, but also a "mature" storyline? Even cartoons aimed at children (Dora the Explorer) have plots by the way, so....

End of discussion.
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Insomnist wrote:


SacredBlood77 wrote:

I consider any animated television program [ That actually follows a storyline ] an anime. Any animated program I see that just has short stories contained within a 15-30 minute period a cartoon.

The original meaning of Anime was simply an animated production, produced in Japan. But to say that's all that defines anime now, isn't really doing it justice. Anime has become something more than just an animated program, it's now a genre within itself. To say it's like every other animated program in Japan, is pretty much saying cartoons are anime, and there not.

Could you re-explain this? I feel like the last sentence is (unintentionally) contradictory.

So I'm not sure what to make of it.

In either case I consider anime to be animation produced in Japan so as to reflect the cultural influences underlying its creation. I just think that's an important distinction; I wouldn't want to call American or Korean animation anime, since it'd confuse me. I want the terms to tell me what culture the show was spawned by, basically.

It's easy enough by looking to tell what style it is, but identifying the cultural influences isn't as apparent.


To be blunt: your definition is bullshit.

Many different anime take different cultures and assimilate them. Go-sick: Victorian times. FMA: Alchemy in Europe, hell even Hyouka which plays on complex Japanese words takes elements from Sherlock and Christie. R.O.D. the TV: the characters were originally from Hong Kong with Western names.

We live in a complex global exchange of idea and information.

If you really want to limit the definition of anime so badly to "Only cultural ideas from Japan" please call the above "Animated shows"

Not to mention that some anime is drawn by Korean animators.



Fucking A ... Nyarukos names came from Lovecraft ....

I just find it funny that when a western company chooses to take cultural elements from the East and use their art-style (better than some of the Japanese works btw) it gets excluded simply for being western.

Hell I'll take it a step further, what about the middle-eastern mecha ANIME that is coming out? I'm guessing that is just "technically inspired" by anime but not anime itself.

BWAAAHHHHH *table-flip* HAHAHAHA Theres my rant.
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Posted 5/20/13 , edited 5/20/13

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To be blunt: your definition is bullshit.

Many different anime take different cultures and assimilate them. Go-sick: Victorian times. FMA: Alchemy in Europe, hell even Hyouka which plays on complex Japanese words takes elements from Sherlock and Christie. R.O.D. the TV: the characters were originally from Hong Kong with Western names.

We live in a complex global exchange of idea and information.

If you really want to limit the definition of anime so badly to "Only cultural ideas from Japan" please call the above "Animated shows"

Not to mention that some anime is drawn by Korean animators.



Fucking A ... Nyarukos names came from Lovecraft ....

I just find it funny that when a western company chooses to take cultural elements from the East and use their art-style (better than some of the Japanese works btw) it gets excluded simply for being western.

Hell I'll take it a step further, what about the middle-eastern mecha ANIME that is coming out? I'm guessing that is just "technically inspired" by anime but not anime itself.

BWAAAHHHHH *table-flip* HAHAHAHA Theres my rant.


Using profanity to make a point - 50 points. Try again please. Your definition is trash too (as well as your reasonings to explain it), if that means anything, but everyone's entitled to their own opinion. I'm not going to argue.

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Posted 5/20/13 , edited 5/20/13

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Using profanity to make a point - 50 points. Try again please.



Okay how about this.

Anime was inspired by Disney movies.

The origins of anime can be essentially defined as occurring after WWII during the American occupation of Japan.

At first they emulated the art style then they made it into a unique art-style.

So if anime was inspired by the west and then made into a unique art-form by the east and then re-imagined by the west ... how is it not anime?

spoilered for your sensitiveness.
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Anime is Anime.

You either understand that statement, or you don't.

Discussion finished.
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Posted 5/20/13 , edited 5/22/13

funnyginsan wrote:


Shrapnel893 wrote:


Using profanity to make a point - 50 points. Try again please.



Okay how about this.

Anime was inspired by Disney movies.

The origins of anime can be essentially defined as occurring after WWII during the American occupation of Japan.

At first they emulated the art style then they made it into a unique art-style.

So if anime was inspired by the west and then made into a unique art-form by the east and then re-imagined by the west ... how is it not anime?

spoilered for your sensitiveness.


Good job! I knew you could do it! I don't have sensitiveness, I can just get my points across without using profanity, you know? That spoiler wasn't needed

It wasn't made into a new art form - it was expanded upon and made into an entire industry. The origins of anime (as we know it now) was from the the original creator of Astro Boy, Osamu Tezuka, who was in turn inspired by Walt Disney. That was it, nothing else. Anime is a term derived from a Japanese meaning and is (and has been) used exclusively to describe Japanese cartoons.

Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime - Not the most reliable source for accurate info, but better than nothing.

End of discussion.
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Yes.
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Well, they are trying to make it look like art that's classified as anime, so, since I don't really care that much about the issue, I'll say it is =).
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Posted 5/21/13 , edited 5/21/13

funnyginsan wrote:

To be blunt: your definition is bullshit.

Nobody's called me out that hard in awhile.


funnyginsan wrote:

Many different anime take different cultures and assimilate them. Go-sick: Victorian times. FMA: Alchemy in Europe, hell even Hyouka which plays on complex Japanese words takes elements from Sherlock and Christie. R.O.D. the TV: the characters were originally from Hong Kong with Western names.

We live in a complex global exchange of idea and information.

If you really want to limit the definition of anime so badly to "Only cultural ideas from Japan" please call the above "Animated shows"

Not to mention that some anime is drawn by Korean animators.



Fucking A ... Nyarukos names came from Lovecraft ....

This is what I meant:

All of these titles are written by Japanese people, for other Japanese people, in Japan. No matter what the subject matter is, it's being viewed through a Japanese cultural lens for other members of Japanese culture / society.

Just like anything I do or say or think reflects my cultural upbringing in the United States.

Haiyore! Nyaruko-san is an AWESOME example of this, it's a take on Lovecraft as per prevalent Japanese culture. If that series had been created in the United States, it would be RESOUNDINGLY different, which is the important difference.

Anyone anywhere can appreciate anime, but it still reflects the culture that created it.

This applies to anything from anywhere (books, etc.) - it's just convenient that Japanese animation has a handy moniker.


funnyginsan wrote:

I just find it funny that when a western company chooses to take cultural elements from the East and use their art-style (better than some of the Japanese works btw) it gets excluded simply for being western.

I'm not excluding anything, just labeling Gala apples and Honeycrisp. They can both taste good.

Just happens that one is better as applesauce and the other is better as juice.


funnyginsan wrote:

Hell I'll take it a step further, what about the middle-eastern mecha ANIME that is coming out? I'm guessing that is just "technically inspired" by anime but not anime itself.

I don't know exactly what these are, but probably. For the same reason Pacific Rim was "inspired by" mecha, etc.; I can't say for sure without knowing exactly what you're talking about, though.


funnyginsan wrote:

BWAAAHHHHH *table-flip* HAHAHAHA Theres my rant.

Rants feel great don't they.

┬──┬ ¯\_(ツ)

And good morning! Wasn't expecting to wake up to being called an idiot, but it all works out.
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man i used to watch it heaps when i was young... I remember they had a all day marathon of it on TV, it was a good day
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I think there is to many definitions to the term anime out there. So if I had to make a choice I lump it into the same category of the old Exosquad series. It was dubbed "The American-Anime" years ago. I think that is a fitting term for Avatar.
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Yes and no

I feel anime defines itself on a specific style of drawing and that has the potential of being more than a kid show. However, I don't want to say only Japan can produce this kind of stuff. I would love to see the West produce more things like the last airbender. Maybe then cartoons can start getting more respect and hopefully anime as well.
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Hmm.... It seems this thread went from being about ATLA and whether or not it should be considered anime to a debate about what the true definition of anime is.

It is entirely inaccurate and close minded to say that anime is exclusively Japanese. As it has been stated, anime's origins come from Osamu Tezuka, who was inspired by Walt Disney. The word itself is derived from the English word "animation." These two things here tell you right away that anime can't be exclusively Japanese.

I guess you could say that the animation produced in Japan both when it began in the 1960s and today is a reflection of Japanese culture and the Japanese mindset. But, then again, isn't American animation a reflection (relatively) of America culture? Also, just like ATLA in America, a lot of Japanese anime is influenced by other cultures or time periods.

The problem with this arugment is that anime is exclusively Japanese in the West. However, in Japan ATLA would be considered anime simply because it's animated, just like anything else that is animated from any other country.
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