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Do you consider "Avatar - The Last Airbender" anime?
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Posted 5/22/13 , edited 5/22/13
To me it's not an anime but it's trying to be like an anime so I call shows like this "american anime" but I do love Avatar: the last airbender so ya
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Short answer: No.

Posted 5/22/13
Meh, definitely gives me the vibe anime does but in the end I can tell it's not. Technically it's not as well sooooo.
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if its animated its anime?
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Posted 5/22/13 , edited 5/22/13

WednesdayBookLove wrote:

Hmm.... It seems this thread went from being about ATLA and whether or not it should be considered anime to a debate about what the true definition of anime is.

It is entirely inaccurate and close minded to say that anime is exclusively Japanese. As it has been stated, anime's origins come from Osamu Tezuka, who was inspired by Walt Disney. The word itself is derived from the English word "animation." These two things here tell you right away that anime can't be exclusively Japanese.

I guess you could say that the animation produced in Japan both when it began in the 1960s and today is a reflection of Japanese culture and the Japanese mindset. But, then again, isn't American animation a reflection (relatively) of America culture? Also, just like ATLA in America, a lot of Japanese anime is influenced by other cultures or time periods.

The problem with this arugment is that anime is exclusively Japanese in the West. However, in Japan ATLA would be considered anime simply because it's animated, just like anything else that is animated from any other country.



Well, since anime is cartoons, yes it is inaccurate. Though, the word "anime" is for Japanese cartoons specifically.

The word is the abbreviated pronunciation of "animation", アニメーション, or animēshon in Japanese. In English, the term is defined as a Japanese-disseminated animation style often characterized by colorful graphics, vibrant characters and fantastic themes. The intended meaning of the term sometimes varies depending on the context.

In Japan, the term anime does not specify an animation's nation of origin or style; instead, it serves as a blanket term to refer to all forms of animation from around the world. English-language dictionaries define anime as "a Japanese style of motion-picture animation" or as "a style of animation developed in Japan".

Non-Japanese works that borrow stylization from anime are commonly referred to as "anime-influenced animation" but it is not unusual for a viewer who does not know the country of origin of such material to refer to it as simply "anime". Some works result from co-productions with non-Japanese companies, such as most of the traditionally animated Rankin/Bass works, the Cartoon Network and Production I.G series IGPX or Ōban Star-Racers; different viewers may or may not consider these anime.

English-speakers occasionally refer to anime as "Japanimation", but this term has fallen into disuse. "Japanimation" saw the most usage during the 1970s and 1980s, but the term "anime" supplanted it in the mid-1990s as the material became more widely known in English-speaking countries. In general, the term now only appears in nostalgic contexts. Since "anime" does not identify the country of origin in Japanese usage, "Japanimation" is used to distinguish Japanese work from that of the rest of the world.

In Japan, "manga" can refer to both animation and comics. Among English speakers, "manga" has the stricter meaning of "Japanese comics", in parallel to the usage of "anime" in and outside of Japan. The term "ani-manga" is used to describe comics produced from animation cels.

[Taken from Wikipedia (although I added a few things), which, for this type of information, is a good source]
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so all im getting is that its american anime and does this mean that all animated shows in japan are called anime? they have nothing that is called a cartoon?
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Story and character wise, yes. I'd call it american anime, or anime inspired.

Anime is short for animation, so anything that is animated could be called anime I guess. But when most people think anime, they think of Japanese tv shows. If I said cartoons, they'd think of American tv shows.

The only real difference between cartoons and anime (outside of storytelling, characters, and target audience) is where they are made.
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Posted 5/22/13

darkwulfshade wrote:

There isn't really an objective answer. Everyone has their own opinion of what anime is.
Consider something like Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt.
It is very similar to what would be an American cartoon.
However, i've never heard anyone have an issue with it being called anime. (Yet.)
So does the art style really give it the right to be anime?

I'm one of the people who give it it's own classification of American Anime.
It isn't quite as low as a cartoon to me, but it doesn't really fit my definition of Anime either.


I would have to agree with you. Panty and stocking is very similar to an "american cartoon" but is still called anime. Avatar is a great story and should be considered an Americn anime. Not only for the style but I'm pretty sure it's the only cartoon that has a story line and character development in it. It's not just random stuff each episode so it shouldn't be classified as a cartoon.

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I think for most of the world, Anime is considered to be from Japan. Seeing as how this was not made in Japan, can't really call it anime...by that definition.
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Posted 5/22/13
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Dropplet wrote:

Avatar is a great story and should be considered an Americn anime. Not only for the style but I'm pretty sure it's the only cartoon that has a story line and character development in it. It's not just random stuff each episode so it shouldn't be classified as a cartoon.




That's a pretty bold generalization. You're implying two things here: That you haven't watched many American cartoons so you haven't noticed that there is an underlying plot and character development. And two that you think that only anime has story lines and character development and American cartoons are just individual, comedic episodes.

You shouldn't generalize so harshly. Saying ATLA is the "only cartoon that has a story line and character development" is incredibly narrow minded. Yes, many American cartoons tend to have individual episodes that aren't always directly connected, but can you really say that all anime has episodes that progress the story line every time? Just look at Naruto, Bleach, Sailor Moon, and other long running shows with tons of filler episodes. Those episodes don't always progress the story line. Also, there are shows like Lucky Star where there is no clear plot and each episode is relatively unconnected.
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By definition, no it is NOT anime. Anime are cartoons from japan (and yes they ****ing cartoons).
But Avatar is heavily inspired but anime and is probably as close as we can get to anime.
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Posted 5/22/13
It'snot an anime but a cartoon because the names are Chinese.
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Posted 5/23/13 , edited 5/23/13


WednesdayBookLove wrote:


Dropplet wrote:

Avatar is a great story and should be considered an Americn anime. Not only for the style but I'm pretty sure it's the only cartoon that has a story line and character development in it. It's not just random stuff each episode so it shouldn't be classified as a cartoon.




That's a pretty bold generalization. You're implying two things here: That you haven't watched many American cartoons so you haven't noticed that there is an underlying plot and character development. And two that you think that only anime has story lines and character development and American cartoons are just individual, comedic episodes.

You shouldn't generalize so harshly. Saying ATLA is the "only cartoon that has a story line and character development" is incredibly narrow minded. Yes, many American cartoons tend to have individual episodes that aren't always directly connected, but can you really say that all anime has episodes that progress the story line every time? Just look at Naruto, Bleach, Sailor Moon, and other long running shows with tons of filler episodes. Those episodes don't always progress the story line. Also, there are shows like Lucky Star where there is no clear plot and each episode is relatively unconnected.

And your point? I gave an example of an anime that has no profound storyline in which you just tried to correct me on something I already know. It's not bold at all, do you even watch cartoons because I do all the time. If you look at majority of cartoons, they have no storyline or character development. You said there are cartoons that have character development and storyline so why didn't you give an example? I watch any cartoon that goes between th 60's to present day. Also you're talking to a girl who watches probably mostly cartoons, the only cartoons I could think that have an underlying plot are probably other superhero shows like Teen Titans for example. Even though Teen Titans I would consider another American Anime. Also for you to be quoting my "Only cartoon that has a story line and character development" was jumping the gun there. I said in the begining of the sentence "I'm pretty sure that..." obviously meaning that I could be wrong. So next time why not read my answer more carefully before you jump to such hash and bold conclusions, thank you.
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Posted 5/23/13
So basically people want to call Avatar an anime because they're embarrassed by American animation?

Seems legit.
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