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Do people (in general) hate thinking?
Posted 3/20/13 , edited 3/20/13

deli8079 wrote:


Are you asking people to give something a chance before hating on it?


Nope, people can hate certain things in entertainment all they want because I'm sure they probably have valid (for them) reasons. I am more curious as to what people think about why some people feel the need to prove that complexity/depth > simplicity/shallowness and put down others who don't want to think about such stuff and media that is 'simple' because of it. After reading some of the responses in this post I have come to the conclusion that I am actually more interested in what people think about why some people try to put equations to determine how 'good' something is and why we allow or even praise those that attack others while using such metrics. Sorry if my English is hard to understand, I'm not an eloquent speaker



I think they are unhappy that something has been simplified to such an extent it's improbable to be any more simplifiable. Some people like the Jig saw puzzle. Their new task should be to complicate this and not get frustrated, otherwise they will not be satisfied and will react by putting that thing down to pacify their craving.

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Posted 3/20/13 , edited 3/20/13

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I've come to the conclusion that they don't really hate thinking. It's just that they're actually incapable of performing such a task.


^This sums it up nicely...

As for rap these days and music in general...
The thing with most music these days is if you take away the beat and background music it will sound like crap, because it is crap. Singers and rap artists before this generation actually wrote interesting songs that had heart, and they also were capable of a vocabulary with more variety than "money, bitches, hos, booty."
Hell, their vocabulary these days is so limited they have to make up their own words and definitions. "Whooty. Bling. Crunk." They really think they have cleverly named a white girl with a booty. Seriously, most of these raps use words that myself and a bunch of kids in my kindergarten class would come up with while we still had a lack of understanding for the English language.

Tune out the nice rythmic beat and all you will here is "booty... dick... pussy... money... yea... nigga... I'm cool because I know how to make racial slurs at my own race and shoot them. I'm ignorant and promote the sexual objectification of women. I avoid calling them women and try to use more fitting words like 'bitches, or hos'!"
Posted 3/20/13 , edited 3/20/13

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^This sums it up nicely...

As for rap these days and music in general...
The thing with most music these days is if you take away the beat and background music it will sound like crap, because it is crap. Singers and rap artists before this generation actually wrote interesting songs that had heart, and they also were capable of a vocabulary with more variety than "money, bitches, hos, booty."
Hell, their vocabulary these days is so limited they have to make up their own words and definitions. "Whooty. Bling. Crunk." They really think they have cleverly named a white girl with a booty. Seriously, most of these raps use words that myself and a bunch of kids in my kindergarten class would come up with while we still had a lack of understanding for the English language.


If you want the rap these days to mean something more to you, visit rap genius, a site for for all humans who want to expand their understanding of a certain rap song.
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If you're interested in this sort of thing I would take a sociology course, or read about relations between cultures and subcultures, specifically counterculture. Being apposed to certain social mores is a very important part of a functioning society.

I would have to disagree with you on tropes and predictability though - telling a completely new story is a bad idea, because there isn't anything for the reader/watcher/consumer to relate to. Stories need that predictability to be interesting. I could write you a very original story that doesn't correspond to any tropes or common plot points and it would likely be a trashy novel. Same thing with music - you talk about analysis of chord progressions, but that is a process of building familiar tones in (potentially) new ways. You build music in a familiar frame work for the listener so they have something to latch on to, you build tension with dissonance and resolve to consonants, you don't just randomly throw some notes in because you want to be different and expect to be the next Beethoven.

People do not hate thinking... well at least not in general. What you described in your first post is more you saying the thing they dislike it bad because of x, y, or z. No matter how you phrase that, most people will react negatively to that, at least initially. I would guess that is more a dislike of confrontation than a hatred of thinking.
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Posted 3/20/13 , edited 3/20/13

Sociopa wrote:


Chronomana wrote:


^This sums it up nicely...

As for rap these days and music in general...
The thing with most music these days is if you take away the beat and background music it will sound like crap, because it is crap. Singers and rap artists before this generation actually wrote interesting songs that had heart, and they also were capable of a vocabulary with more variety than "money, bitches, hos, booty."
Hell, their vocabulary these days is so limited they have to make up their own words and definitions. "Whooty. Bling. Crunk." They really think they have cleverly named a white girl with a booty. Seriously, most of these raps use words that myself and a bunch of kids in my kindergarten class would come up with while we still had a lack of understanding for the English language.


If you want the rap these days to mean something more to you, visit rap genius, a site for for all humans who want to expand their understanding of a certain rap song.


Yeah so I just did that, clicked the first rap I saw, and this is what the first few verses are...


Uh, pussy ass nigga stop haExplainting
Lil Tunechi got that fire
And these ho's love me like Satan, maaaan!
Fuck with me and get bodied


I'm pretty sure I get just how deep their meaning is already. Anyone with who has made it past the 1st grade would.
Everything I said, proved within the first four verses of a random rap I hit. That is hilarious.
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Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is? Insanity is doing the exact... same fucking thing... over and over again expecting... shit to change... That. Is. Crazy. The first time somebody told me that, I dunno, I thought they were bullshitting me. The thing is... He was right. And then I started seeing, everywhere I looked, everywhere I looked all these fucking pricks, everywhere I looked, doing the exact same fucking thing... over and over and over and over again thinking 'this time is gonna be different' no, no, no please... This time is gonna be different, I'm sorry, I don't like... The way........

Did I ever tell you the definition... of insanity
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Posted 3/20/13

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Baroku024 wrote:

I hate this forum and all the other forums asking stupid questions. They always start with "I was talking with." What do you plan to gain by asking such a stupid question on an anime site. Or in general? You asking why somebody likes something is just you NOT thinking and trying to get someone else to do it. End.


I'm sorry to hear that you hate this forum post, but I think you misunderstand what I was asking. For the forum I am not wondering why people like/dislike any one thing, but what people's thoughts are as to why people like to hate on entertainment and its fans for it being simple, etc. The reason for the back-story was to give a sort of lead-in context to my question.

"What do plan to gain by asking such a stupid question on an anime site."
I intend to gain other people's insights, since there are many different kinds of individuals out there on the internet, I would like to know what they think on this matter.


There isn't anything to think about. People like what they like, they hate what they hate, they hate on others who like what they dislike. It does not take a genius nor an anime community coming together to answer your question.
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Yeah so I just did that, clicked the first rap I saw, and this is what the first few verses are...


Uh, pussy ass nigga stop haExplainting
Lil Tunechi got that fire
And these ho's love me like Satan, maaaan!
Fuck with me and get bodied


I'm pretty sure I get just how deep their meaning is already. Anyone with who has made it past the 1st grade would.
Everything I said, proved within the first four verses of a random rap I hit. That is hilarious.


laaaal i think it's hilarious and so are you ) you proved me right.
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deli8079 wrote:


Are you asking people to give something a chance before hating on it?


Nope, people can hate certain things in entertainment all they want because I'm sure they probably have valid (for them) reasons. I am more curious as to what people think about why some people feel the need to prove that complexity/depth > simplicity/shallowness and put down others who don't want to think about such stuff and media that is 'simple' because of it. After reading some of the responses in this post I have come to the conclusion that I am actually more interested in what people think about why some people try to put equations to determine how 'good' something is and why we allow or even praise those that attack others while using such metrics. Sorry if my English is hard to understand, I'm not an eloquent speaker


Hey, I understood what you were asking. My best guess is that it isn't actually about the complexity; some people just don't like things that other people like and then they try to justify their dislikes in any way they can. That and the haters probably get louder as there are more supporters. It's one thing if one person tells you something is the greatest thing in the world, but if you keep seeing and hearing all around you how great something is and you don't like it, you might feel that it's getting too much undeserved attention or credit, and you want to justify your opinion loud enough to challenge the everyone who supports it. Then other people who feel the same way group up and it becomes "popular" to hate on what's popular, if not because you hate it, then just because you don't love it to the extent that everyone else seems to.

As for equations for how good something is, I think it's due to people wanting to define a definite good and bad. The feeling that my likes are correct, or my opinion is correct, and other opinions are wrong. So when people attack opinions that are so called "wrong", other people who feel the same way might support this because they want to say something like, "Yeah, see, my likes are correct, and your likes are wrong, and this justifies it." Personally, I'm strongly against things like this, because it equates to attacking people because they are different. If it's not race or gender, well now it's personal opinions. This sense of superiority might always exist, but I don't think that makes it justified.
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Dobie wrote:

If you're interested in this sort of thing I would take a sociology course, or read about relations between cultures and subcultures, specifically counterculture. Being apposed to certain social mores is a very important part of a functioning society.

I would have to disagree with you on tropes and predictability though - telling a completely new story is a bad idea, because there isn't anything for the reader/watcher/consumer to relate to. Stories need that predictability to be interesting. I could write you a very original story that doesn't correspond to any tropes or common plot points and it would likely be a trashy novel. Same thing with music - you talk about analysis of chord progressions, but that is a process of building familiar tones in (potentially) new ways. You build music in a familiar frame work for the listener so they have something to latch on to, you build tension with dissonance and resolve to consonants, you don't just randomly throw some notes in because you want to be different and expect to be the next Beethoven.

People do not hate thinking... well at least not in general. What you described in your first post is more you saying the thing they dislike it bad because of x, y, or z. No matter how you phrase that, most people will react negatively to that, at least initially. I would guess that is more a dislike of confrontation than a hatred of thinking.


Yes, I am interested in sociology and I will attempt to take sociology/psychology courses/degrees in the far off future. Interesting point you have with tropes and predictability, I haven't heard that position before. I personally don't mind tropes or predictability (as long as I don't notice it). Want I meant originally was that people use tropes/predictability as immediate ways to label something as bad or simple and sometimes use it to make the people who like that stuff feel bad about it. Also the reason why I concluded people don't prefer to think is because many 'problems' are there, but you only notice it if you are told about it or think about it. Since it seems (to me) that the majority of popular entertainment can contain a lot of things that people would rather not want to notice (plotholes, inconsistencies, etc.) and so they don't like to think about it. This is also part of the reason why I think people hate when you point out certain things about a movie/book/etc. they love. Yes you are attack something that is meaningful to them, but you are also pointing out something they don't want to think about. I had poor word choice however and looking back I shouldn't have used 'hate' to think but rather dislike or avoid. I know I am generalizing horribly and not fully explaining all the conclusions I have made, but I have found that my writing gets really long when I try to do so...
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Hey, I understood what you were asking. My best guess is that it isn't actually about the complexity; some people just don't like things that other people like and then they try to justify their dislikes in any way they can. That and the haters probably get louder as there are more supporters. It's one thing if one person tells you something is the greatest thing in the world, but if you keep seeing and hearing all around you how great something is and you don't like it, you might feel that it's getting too much undeserved attention or credit, and you want to justify your opinion loud enough to challenge the everyone who supports it. Then other people who feel the same way group up and it becomes "popular" to hate on what's popular, if not because you hate it, then just because you don't love it to the extent that everyone else seems to.

As for equations for how good something is, I think it's due to people wanting to define a definite good and bad. The feeling that my likes are correct, or my opinion is correct, and other opinions are wrong. So when people attack opinions that are so called "wrong", other people who feel the same way might support this because they want to say something like, "Yeah, see, my likes are correct, and your likes are wrong, and this justifies it." Personally, I'm strongly against things like this, because it equates to attacking people because they are different. If it's not race or gender, well now it's personal opinions. This sense of superiority might always exist, but I don't think that makes it justified.


You make some good points! Thanks for the insightful response and I never saw it in the same light as attacking one's race or gender! It does seem like that is what it is, so like the hate on race and gender, we should work to remove the hate on personal opinions.
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There isn't anything to think about. People like what they like, they hate what they hate, they hate on others who like what they dislike. It does not take a genius nor an anime community coming together to answer your question.


That is how it seems to be, but why?
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There isn't anything to think about. People like what they like, they hate what they hate, they hate on others who like what they dislike. It does not take a genius nor an anime community coming together to answer your question.


That is how it seems to be, but why?


Because Humans are weak and shallow and need to feel important. By putting others down for liking something of "lower quality" they can feel better about what they like, or the choices they have made. Now you have no more questions, unless you plan on asking why again.
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Rambling is a problem everyone has, don't feel bad about it. Maybe try and revise statements involving the use of I in its many forms, it'll make you sound smarter and more confident all while slimming down your writing.

To the topic, people don't like being wrong and being wrong is generally seen as bad in most cultures. The most enjoyable people to talk with are usually the ones who are more comfortable being wrong, and those people are generally the most open minded.
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There is a clear distinction between thinking inanely and thinking critically. This does not apply to everyone, but rarely do people ever think critically or on par with intellectual approach, and (in digression) when they cannot do that, they then dislike the act of reading. It seems that their thinking cannot transcend, confined to their own normative thinking. Then again in what situation is it that most people tend to think constructively or critically? When they are comfortable at home, fed, warm, cozy, secure, and remiss. It is not those. Those conditions make them more susceptible to accepting opinionated bias. Rather when subjected to limitations, duress, pressure, or a deadline do they think more complexly and pertinently. Does that make the state of thinking entirely dependent on situation? It would seem, but a change of situation does not make them any brighter. In the end it is really dependent upon the individual's preferences, some find thinking of something witty or idealistic gratifying, others aversive and disinclined, finding entertainment and physical activity equally satisfying.
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