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Posted 8/24/13 , edited 8/24/13

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Nah, it's not the quality of the show, that's a factor. After all, many can point to series from America, that are outright great.

Instead, back in the day, anime was viewed as something "foreign" and "unAmerican". Therefore, it must be separated from all things American. Since then, anime grew to the point, where it's pretty much everywhere. Now, the converse became true.

Here we have RWBY. Many are relegating it as "fake anime", "not anime", or "anime influenced" -- because of only one reason: it wasn't made in a Japanese studio.


Hopefully, starting with Avatar, RWBY, and many more -- idiot notions of "actual anime" like this one end up getting dispelled. For the record, RWBY is actual anime. At the very least, it's "anime-styled". If you don't like that idea, deal with it.


RWBY is definitely anime-influenced and from a very strict interpretation of the word "anime", it is anime. But it doesn't feel like an anime to me.

Anime generally has amazing background art while skimping a bit on the animation. Cartoons are the opposite. RWBY follows the cartoon philosophy when it comes to animation versus art.

There's a lot of other minor things that RWBY is missing that most anime have like unusual camera angles, still shots, panning shots, long conversations and slow paced sections. The fights are very lacking in violence, even One Piece shows blood and emphasizes how dangerous these situations can be.

The characters are much, much more western than you'd find in an anime. While it's not like characters like these haven't popped up in anime, it's very few and far between to have characters with these kinds of personalities.

The all female cast is more there to show female empowerment with a touch of fanservice. This is pretty much the opposite of how anime generally treats female only casts. All or heavy female casts are mainly there in anime for male, not necessarily titulation but are definitely there for the male audience and not for female empowerment.

Lots of anime don't follow the stuff that is above but it's very rare for an anime to not follow any of these. RWBY is missing all of these.

RWBY isn't anime but in a lot of ways that is it's strong suit. It can take aspects of anime and then merge them with more western ideas. So yeah, it's not nearly as bad as people say when they say "it's nothing like anime", the people from Rooster Teeth seem to have watched a lot more anime than Cowboy Bebop and DBZ but the show doesn't really feel like anime.


So what the anti-International Anime group wants are films and show that are directed and composed in the Japanese film style.

Well, in order for that to happen, one needs to know & understand Japanese film theory, Japanese film composition and the predecessors of Japanese film: the various Japanese arts (like Kamishibai and Noh). Almost everyone in the West doesn't Japan's film theory and arts from the Japanese point of view. For example, when we American otaku see a Japanese anime, we're still interpreting the story as Americans: We watch what we can relate to. This is why reality TV is makes so much money in the US. It's because people can relate to the drama on TV. Everyone in this country has dealt with stuff like fighting, arguing, and competition. In general, films that use Japanese composition = niche market at this time.

American audience's reaction to WATAMOTE is a great example of this. If you read the discussion thread related to WATAMOTE, you'll notice that some of the comments indicate that not everyone liked the show because they can't relate to it! Not everyone has been a kid who obsessed about popularity. Not everyone was ugly as a kid. Etc. For some people, the show probably reminded them of those Scholastic books that were required reading in elementary school.

Here's another great example: The mainstream American knows what a samurai is, but kabuki play (the type of play that samurai often watched) wouldn't be understood by most Americans unless they learn about it in class.

I think International Anime like RWBY is great development in the history of anime.In a world of wars and miscommunication between countries, art is a great way to build bridges between very different countries. I say every country should have their own form of anime! Since Americans are visually-oriented, we would learn alot more about others' ideas, ideals, cultural values, and beliefs.

Since most anime is meant for Japanese audiences, it's nice to see one show that appeals to Western tastes without pandering to us just to get our money, like Heroman (Side comment: Dressing people up in American flags doesn't sell manga & anime in America! Give me a character that i can relate to, admire, and root for!). Just because an anime is meant to appeal to Western audiences first, doesn't mean that it's not an anime.

-- Susan Randall

PS -- BTW, having an all-female cast doesn't mean the series promotes "girl power!" (Sheesh! I hate that term!) The women in the series reflect how American women are in real life. Having been born and raised in the US, I know many women who have personalities like the girls in this series. Even I see a bit of myself in each character.
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Posted 8/24/13

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How are you guys liking this? I mean, im not going to watch it since its not anime but what do you guys think?


Serious ? What anime do you like ?To each their own but I am curious since you said you dont like Love Lab. I mean RWBY has its faults but its durable!And each week I put my ratings up on the favorite summer thread!If If I dont like an anime it's not watched no negatives dissing etc! I rather spend my energy on a show I like.Simple other people might watch I am sure the anime industry keeps an eye on it.
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Posted 8/24/13

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GoldTStar wrote:

How are you guys liking this? I mean, im not going to watch it since its not anime but what do you guys think?


Serious ? What anime do you like ?To each their own but I am curious since you said you dont like Love Lab. I mean RWBY has its faults but its durable!And each week I put my ratings up on the favorite summer thread!If If I dont like an anime it's not watched no negatives dissing etc! I rather spend my energy on a show I like.Simple other people might watch I am sure the anime industry keeps an eye on it.


Well...i like a number of different anime ranging from all genres(except yaoi). I never said i didn't like RWBY i just said im not watching it(and don't plan to even more so thanks to all these annoying debates). Also, when did i say i didn't like Love Lab? I just said im disappointed because it's not as entertaining as people make it seem. When i watched other anime of that genre (recently Chu-Bra!!) i definitely wasn't as bored as i am when i watch Love Lab, and all they do in Chu-Bra!! is talk about underwear!...hmmm maybe that's what kept me watching... anyway the point is in Love Lab they are kinda all over the place and it's pretty dry. I do like Wild and the retorting chick tho, their back and forth convos with each other were the only thing i really didn't have to force myself to laugh at...well that and the first episode. Anyway, don't wanna get off topic...too late lol
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Posted 8/24/13

GoldTStar wrote:


FLjerry2011 wrote:


GoldTStar wrote:

How are you guys liking this? I mean, im not going to watch it since its not anime but what do you guys think?


Serious ? What anime do you like ?To each their own but I am curious since you said you dont like Love Lab. I mean RWBY has its faults but its durable!And each week I put my ratings up on the favorite summer thread!If If I dont like an anime it's not watched no negatives dissing etc! I rather spend my energy on a show I like.Simple other people might watch I am sure the anime industry keeps an eye on it.


Well...i like a number of different anime ranging from all genres(except yaoi). I never said i didn't like RWBY i just said im not watching it(and don't plan to even more so thanks to all these annoying debates). Also, when did i say i didn't like Love Lab? I just said im disappointed because it's not as entertaining as people make it seem. When i watched other anime of that genre (recently Chu-Bra!!) i definitely wasn't as bored as i am when i watch Love Lab, and all they do in Chu-Bra!! is talk about underwear!...hmmm maybe that's what kept me watching... anyway the point is in Love Lab they are kinda all over the place and it's pretty dry. I do like Wild and the retorting chick tho, their back and forth convos with each other were the only thing i really didn't have to force myself to laugh at...well that and the first episode. Anyway, don't wanna get off topic...too late lol


If you don't wanna watch the actual show, I understand. But you should at least give the trailers a watch, because the fight animation is spectacular. Imo, if you like fight sequences at all, you'd be doing yourself a disservice by not watching them. But maybe you've already seen them...I just think they are cool enough to be worth 15 of your time.
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Posted 8/24/13
OH what the heck I will throw my two cents on the table. I LOVE that this show for all of its flaws has the good western style humor in it. Only GITS:SAC and Cowboy Bebop ever got close to having a western feel in both dialogue and humor. Maybe that was good dubbing .. I don't know. But to have an anime show with the WEST sense of humor and dialogue is just amazing. I forgive it all its flaws because fits with things I love of western TV and movies and humor.

Anime could really grow well if this becomes a trend because as much as we love our niche shows ... ones that are broad enough to jump the gap might just help this medium get out of the henti like animation mental box a lot people put it in. Sorry but is pretty true view of things from the other side at least with my experience.
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These animated shorts are amazing. I get to the end of the 6-min episode, and feel like I just watched at least 10-15 minutes of show! The plot is definitely one that grabs you and pulls you in, I just wish we could have more than 1 episode a week!
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Posted 8/24/13
Like the stylized feel to this series as well as the animation of the characters. Not a gamer so will withhold any comment about the gimmickry in the fighting skills.
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Posted 8/24/13 , edited 8/24/13
One thing I like about the show is the opening. There have been many anime inspired shows over the years but this first one I've seen do an anime inspired opening.
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Posted 8/24/13 , edited 8/24/13

everydaygamer wrote:

One thing I like about the show is the opening. There have been many anime inspired shows over the years but this first one I've seen do an anime inspired opening.


The Boondocks completely mimicked the Samurai Champloo opening.


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Well...i like a number of different anime ranging from all genres(except yaoi). I never said i didn't like RWBY i just said im not watching it(and don't plan to even more so thanks to all these annoying debates).


Then GTFO, you troll.
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Posted 8/25/13

KyuuA4 wrote:


everydaygamer wrote:

One thing I like about the show is the opening. There have been many anime inspired shows over the years but this first one I've seen do an anime inspired opening.


The Boondocks completely mimicked the Samurai Champloo opening.



Not really the same thing. I meant an original opening.
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I recall watching the Red trailer on Poser's FB page it did look interesting
May have to watch this series, due to the fact that it was made with Poser Pro, and I also use Poser for 'still' images.

Guessing they're using Poser Pro 2014, its a pretty expensive program, $500.. I'll likely upgrade from Poser 9 to Poser 10 sometime later this year. But its nice to see how far other artists can push the software I also use

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Since some people are still mistaken in thinking that the word "anime" is directly translated as "animation", I feel I should clear up....the word "anime" is abbreviated slang that popped up sometime around the late 80's/early 90's that gradually replaced the word "Japanimation (Japanese + animation) which has since fallen out of favor & become obsolete. So while many modern Japanese have come to use the word to refer to all animation, it doesn't make much sense for those outside of Japan or the far East to use the term to mean anything animated, as we already use the word "animation", or "cartoon" for short (and that word similarly took on another meaning over the years much like "anime" did in Japan)

So as others have already correctly stated, this is NOT an anime, but rather just "anime inspired". And on that note, it seems to me the anime inspired part is mostly around the character designs, as most everything else seems more Hollywood inspired than anything. That being said, character designs count for a lot for me, and I do very much like the design for Rose in particular. I especially like the silver eyes she has. Don't know if I've ever seen a look like that in any anime I've seen off the top of my head.

And as others have stated, the action scenes seem to be it's strong points, with pretty well choreographed fight sequences. Showed it to an animator/3d sculptor friend and he agreed it's very impressive on that front. The voice acting, while not the worst at all, is not really what I'd call outstanding, but is simply as good as it has to be for something like this. It gets the job done.

Would I pay money for it if the sold it on DVD or something. Eh, no! But Rose's design is enough to keep me at least somewhat interested in it to keep up with it as time permits, which since the eps are so short, shouldn't be too hard to do. A couple of minutes of a well done fight sequence will probably just be icing on the cake for me & nothing more.
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I'm with the camp that defines "anime" as a paradigm in animation that is uniquely Japanese. For some people, this can be as superficial as mere appearances of the characters - which more often than not is the case. Deeper than that though, it includes cinematography, atmosphere, dialogue, and overall coherence of scenario, plot, and theme.

That said, I don't see RWBY as falling under the classic definition of "anime". I also refuse to label the show as a "cartoon", either, so I agree with Kaiser that the show has a sense of being "anime inspired". The inspiration goes much for the character designs and some of the methods of character expression used. Otherwise, the cinematography, plot progression, character development, and even dialogue are distinctly American. I find it as no surprise that people find it awkward at first to watch the show to hear the English dialogues.

My advice is to those who have doubts about the series is to cast your biases aside and try to enjoy it. If your presuppositions are too powerful to even allow you to tolerate it, then don't force yourself. Haters will hate. Otherwise, I'm really quite fascinated with what they've put out so far. It's not anything mind blowing, mind you, but it's a very refreshing and welcome change of pace from what we're used to.
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Many, that episode was almost not even long enough to be worth it. Heck, I just as soon have them skip a week and put together a nice 10 minute episode.

Also, Juane has strong Nen potential.
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