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Of course I support marriage equality. We don't live in the Dark Ages where marriage was a social mechanism to produce babies in order to (legitimately) continue the survival or our species. We have enough offspring now that consenting adults can be with whomever they want, and have their relationship be called a marriage.
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Well you don't have to get married to love someone -.- I don't see the big deal by getting married.. Though I would support them for being able to marry someone, but it's in my opinion a waste of effort.
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I am perfectly fine with equal rights.
Their sexual orientation doesn't matter.
They're still people.
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pstudio wrote:

I haven't really followed this gay marriage thing in the U.S. closely. Are we simply talking about registered partnership with whatever benefits that may entitle or are we talking about getting married in churches?

If it is the former I couldn't care less. It's fine by me.

For the later, we had this issue in Denmark, where gay people wanted to be married in churches and they are now allowed to do so. I don't know why so many gay people wants to be married in a church when most of them aren't christians. And what I really don't get is why gays are more important than religious people. Being married in a church is about christians making a promise in front of their god. It is clearly quite important for them. There's no good reason to offend christians just so gay people can "get married in pretty chruches" as one gay Dane put it in words.
On the other hand, if you're gay and christian I would say that it is the priests decision if he will bless the marriage or not.

But as I wrote earlier. If we're simply talking about registered partnership then it's alright. And I will agree with the people who states, that it seems like many people just say they are for gay right because it's hip. All this political correctnes and shallow compasion which seems to be so popular in these ages really does make me sick.


The way it works in Canada is that the specific church has the right to set the rules for whom in will marry. The state is not barging in with it's power to force ANY congregation to marry someone angainst said congregation's beliefs. or typical requirements (suchs as fees, counseling, being a member in good standing etc.) What the the state DOES allow is for Gays and Lesbians to enjoy all the legal rights associated with Marriage and divorce. you can get married at a Justice of the Peace (or from a congregation that supports your partnership) and once married you are entitled under the law to all the responsibilities and benefits any other pair of spousal partners enjoy.

As for 'finding a congregations that will marry them' WELL, The largest non-catholic christian denomination in Canada actually campaigned in favour of gay marriage and many congregations of this same christian church WILL marry gay and lesbian couples.

I don't understand why this has to be fight between Civil rights and religion?

Like I said we've been marrying and divorcing gays for nearly a decade now, I fail to understand why the so called 'most free country in the world' and the 'leader of the free world' can't keep up with the times.

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pstudio wrote:
...we had this issue in Denmark, where gay people wanted to be married in churches and they are now allowed to do so. I don't know why so many gay people wants to be married in a church when most of them aren't christians. And what I really don't get is why gays are more important than religious people. Being married in a church is about christians making a promise in front of their god. It is clearly quite important for them. There's no good reason to offend christians just so gay people can "get married in pretty chruches" as one gay Dane put it in words.
On the other hand, if you're gay and christian I would say that it is the priests decision if he will bless the marriage or not.


Uh... yeah... hmm... where to start with this one?

1) Marriage is legally different from registered partnership for tax and inheritance purposes, as well as parenting and adoption. This is a huge issue here in the US. Very little of our legal code is written for civil unions/registered partnerships, and it has caused some very murky legal difficulties.

2) Marriage is socially different from registered partnership, although I'm not the best person to explain why because I have a low opinion of marriage.

3) There will always be churches that will perform marriage ceremonies for same-sex couples (but not me because I don't want to be married), even if we have to start our own. Imagine - the Southern Baptist Church of Gospel on Broadway. Seriously though, it is only right to revoke the tax-exempt status of churches that practice institutionalized discrimination (to do otherwise is to publicly subsidize discriminatory organizations), but outright forcing churches to perform functions not in accordance with their dogma is the antithesis of religious freedom. Be whatever kind of asshole you want to be, but not on the taxpayer's dime, especially since us gays who can't get married pay a higher rate of income taxes.

4) Bigotry sucks. You must hate it when the homos get all uppity and want to be treated like we are humans or something. Poor you.
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Some people don't have the ability to drop their lives to become activists, that doesn't make them trendy followers going along with a fad.
Heck, even if they are just following a fad, they're doing a hell of a lot more by just saying they support gay marriage than most. I'd rather have a word of support than complete apathy, thank you.
If it leads to change in any way, I'll be happy.
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Glad you asked -- I am completely against the view that a facebook post is a valid way to support a cause.
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JayVeeDees wrote:

I don't see the big deal by getting married


http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/marriage-rights-benefits-30190.html

http://money.msn.com/family-money/6-financial-benefits-of-marriage-investopedia.aspx

When you look at some of the economic/legal benefits that being married provides it's pretty easy to see why it's such a big deal.
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JayVeeDees wrote:

Well you don't have to get married to love someone -.- I don't see the big deal by getting married.. Though I would support them for being able to marry someone, but it's in my opinion a waste of effort. :P


It's not about love; it's about equal protection under the law (for us and the ones we love), which is covered by the 14th amendment.

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Because the legal and financial protections provided by marriage are being denied to the families of same-sex couples who are not allowed to be married, then we and our families/children are not receiving equal protection under the law as defined by the 14th amendment.

Marriage is not the only issue, it's just the one that's being pressed at the moment. Right now it is legal in 29 states to be fired or evicted for being gay, and it took a CA Supreme Court decision to force certain health care providers to stop denying medical care to gays for religious reasons. Only 18 states explicitly allow same-sex second-parent adoptions, which provide two legal parents for a child that would otherwise have one, and many states explicitly deny single-parent adoptions or adoption by homosexuals, essentially denying children any parent at all.
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pstudio wrote:
...we had this issue in Denmark, where gay people wanted to be married in churches and they are now allowed to do so. I don't know why so many gay people wants to be married in a church when most of them aren't christians. And what I really don't get is why gays are more important than religious people. Being married in a church is about christians making a promise in front of their god. It is clearly quite important for them. There's no good reason to offend christians just so gay people can "get married in pretty chruches" as one gay Dane put it in words.
On the other hand, if you're gay and christian I would say that it is the priests decision if he will bless the marriage or not.


Uh... yeah... hmm... where to start with this one?

1) Marriage is legally different from registered partnership for tax and inheritance purposes, as well as parenting and adoption. This is a huge issue here in the US. Very little of our legal code is written for civil unions/registered partnerships, and it has caused some very murky legal difficulties.

2) Marriage is socially different from registered partnership, although I'm not the best person to explain why because I have a low opinion of marriage.

3) There will always be churches that will perform marriage ceremonies for same-sex couples (but not me because I don't want to be married), even if we have to start our own. Imagine - the Southern Baptist Church of Gospel on Broadway. Seriously though, it is only right to revoke the tax-exempt status of churches that practice institutionalized discrimination (to do otherwise is to publicly subsidize discriminatory organizations), but outright forcing churches to perform functions not in accordance with their dogma is the antithesis of religious freedom. Be whatever kind of asshole you want to be, but not on the taxpayer's dime, especially since us gays who can't get married pay a higher rate of income taxes.

4) Bigotry sucks. You must hate it when the homos get all uppity and want to be treated like we are humans or something. Poor you.


1) When I wrote registered partnership and all it benefits it was implied, that they would get the same benefits as hetero sexual married couples. That registered partnership doesn't equal marriage when it comes to legal right etc. is as your write it yourself, an issue with the U.S. laws.

2) That may be the case in the states. Dunno. Imo marriage means to hold some special ceremony when you form a registered partnership. It's just an extra thing you do if you for instance belong to some religion. The registered partnership is the thing that really counts when it comes to anything legal.

3) Yes there will be churches that performs marriage ceremonies for gey/lesbian couples , and that's fine by me. That is how it is in Denmark now. What I was opposing to, is that priests were forced to marry someone, when it would go against there beliefs. I was mostly relating to some of the debates that had been in Denmark. As I see it, in the U.S. it is firstly about gaining the same legal rights as hetero sexual couples and that is fine by me. That is how I would think it should be, though it clearly isn't.

4) Well I'm just gonna let that one pass me by and assume that you've misunderstood me.
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No one should care.
It's none of our business if someone is gay, straight, or makin' love to an ice cream sandwich somewhere.
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Posted 3/27/13

pstudio wrote:

Are we simply talking about registered partnership with whatever benefits that may entitle or are we talking about getting married in churches?


good question. what's the answer?
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Yeah, it's pretty much the same here in Denmark and is the way it should be. It is up to each minister if he/she wishes to marry same-sex couples. For the Danish church that's 50/50 so homo sexual couples shouldn't have a hard time getting married in a church if that is what they want.
As far as I get it, it seems the USA has some outdated laws. Any benefit and rights associated with marriage should be given to any registered partnership.
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I'm all for marriage equality. There's absolutely nothing wrong with homosexuality and it harms no one. To deny a certain group the right to marry essentially demonstrates that they have fewer rights as a human being.
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