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Posted 3/27/13

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Well you don't have to get married to love someone -.- I don't see the big deal by getting married.. Though I would support them for being able to marry someone, but it's in my opinion a waste of effort. :P


It's not about love; it's about equal protection under the law (for us and the ones we love), which is covered by the 14th amendment.

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Because the legal and financial protections provided by marriage are being denied to the families of same-sex couples who are not allowed to be married, then we and our families/children are not receiving equal protection under the law as defined by the 14th amendment.

Marriage is not the only issue, it's just the one that's being pressed at the moment. Right now it is legal in 29 states to be fired or evicted for being gay, and it took a CA Supreme Court decision to force certain health care providers to stop denying medical care to gays for religious reasons. Only 18 states explicitly allow same-sex second-parent adoptions, which provide two legal parents for a child that would otherwise have one, and many states explicitly deny single-parent adoptions or adoption by homosexuals, essentially denying children any parent at all.


As I said before 'The leader of the free world' and the 'most free country in the world' needs to do some catching up if the rest of us are actually going to believe those statements.

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I am all for same-sex marriage. Though I will admit that I do not actively go out and do anything about it. If I was presented with a petition to sign or it was up for a vote at some point I would certainly do my part to help support it beyond words and sentiment.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:
As I said before 'The leader of the free world' and the 'most free country in the world' needs to do some catching up if the rest of us are actually going to believe those statements.

I wish those phrases actually applied. I think that when they've been used in the past 50 years they were talking about the markets, not the people.
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mhibicke wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:
As I said before 'The leader of the free world' and the 'most free country in the world' needs to do some catching up if the rest of us are actually going to believe those statements.

I wish those phrases actually applied. I think that when they've been used in the past 50 years they were talking about the markets, not the people.


some of your countrymen still believe the hype unfortunately. Canada is backwards on this issue compared to Europe and WE'VE had working solution for nearly a decade.

It troubles me that it continues to be up for debate.
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Why go into a thread and try to change the entire topic? It's kind of annoying.

Anyways, I am for rather obvious reasons, what annoys me about this "campaign" however is that people do whatever is "hip" or "trendy"
Right now it's "HIP" to support gay rights. What about tomorrow? When it fades? Everyone says they will still support, but lets face it, most wouldn't even take the time to sign petitions, let alone call law makers, senators, congress members, etc.

Who from all of these people is DOING anything to support change? It's nice to see the support, but honestly, actions speak louder than words. (edit : Or display pictures)


I'd rather someone be "trendy" by supporting something that shouldn't even be an issue, over something else. Can't think of an example and I fail for that. And assuming it's to be trendy is a little judgmental imo.

I personally display it because I support gays fully. I have gay family members and best friends and it breaks my heart that they don't have equal rights. I display it to show that even though I was raised to think it's wrong, I don't agree. Letting other humans know you support them? I see no harm in it.
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As I see it, in the U.S. it is firstly about gaining the same legal rights as hetero sexual couples and that is fine by me. That is how I would think it should be, though it clearly isn't.

Pretty much. Social recognition of equality is something that goes hand-in-hand with legal recognition of equality, although one cannot force the other. However, until we attain legal recognition of equality, we are defenseless against the kind of social inequality demonstrated by the man in this video from last spring.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y364C42sg0Y
I don't know how his ideas are any different from what was done by the Nazis, and the cheers from his congregation are sickening. These are the kind of religious bigots that insist that allowing same-sex couples the same recognition as different-sex couples is somehow infringing on their religious freedom. The thing that the churches are really concerned about isn't whether or not we are legally recognized, but whether or not they can retain their tax-exempt status while still denying us social recognition. My opinion is no, but as the KKK is considered a tax-exempt volunteer organization, I suppose that there is a case to be made for it.
As for offending religious people, we do that just by living. Elbowing us out of the Jesus club and forcing us to have secular ceremonies won't actually make anyone happier.
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I'm for equal rights. I find it's bullshit that only straight people can get married. after so many years, I thought this nonsense would have past.
Posted 3/27/13
Shut up already we get it
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Just a few thoughts here, from an analytic point of view

First, some simple yes or no questions

Is there anything in California's prop 8 and/or marriage laws that mentions sexual orientaiton?

Does the law mention the word love?

Is love a legal requirement to get married in the state of California?

If a homosexual male gets married to a willing female and obtains the license and all the procedures are done, is he legally married?

Moving on.

If gender doesn't matter, then why would a lesbian be uncomforatable marrying a man?

a proof that gender does matter.

The law is equally applied. Maybe I just completely misunderstand the 14th amendment when it says citizens and not relationships.

Think about it.

If you want to change the definition of marriage, by all means, that's your right. Using "equality" is a farce. It's a great buzzword, but to any person who has the abilty to actually apply critical thinking, it's a fraud. It's already equal with all the same rights. It's special rights, go for it, but call it what it is. At least that's something I can respect.
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And as a thought... a biblical vew of The Bible, homosexuality and by extention, same sex marriage

http://rjeffd.blogspot.com/2012/10/homosexuality-same-sex-marriage-and.html
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godaistudios wrote:

Just a few thoughts here, from an analytic point of view
Response: Analytic? Oh this should be good.

First, some simple yes or no questions
Response: Okay.

Is there anything in California's prop 8 and/or marriage laws that mentions sexual orientation?
Answer: To my knowledge no. Proposition 8 mentions that marriage is defined as between one man and one woman.

Does the law mention the word love?
Answer: To my knowledge no.

Is love a legal requirement to get married in the state of California?
Answer: Same as above.

If a homosexual male gets married to a willing female and obtains the license and all the procedures are done, is he legally married?
Answer: Yes. One man, one woman.

If gender doesn't matter, then why would a lesbian be uncomfortable marrying a man?

A proof that gender does matter.
Response: Gender clearly does matter, I don't know many who would dispute this. I assume you're referring to people claiming that "in love gender doesn't matter" which you're misinterpreting as gender doesn't personally matter when in reality they're making the claim that it shouldn't matter when it comes to giving legal rights.

The law is equally applied. Maybe I just completely misunderstand the 14th amendment when it says citizens and not relationships.
Response: The law is not equally applied if it only legally recognizes opposite sex couples as being capable of having valid marriages and receiving all the legal and economic benefits they entail. I assume you're referring to the equal protection clause which requires each state to provide equal protection under the law to all people within its jurisdiction.

Think about it.
Response: Thought about it.

If you want to change the definition of marriage, by all means, that's your right. Using "equality" is a farce. It's a great buzzword, but to any person who has the abilty to actually apply critical thinking, it's a fraud. It's already equal with all the same rights. It's special rights, go for it, but call it what it is. At least that's something I can respect.
Response: If the law allows benefits, and marriage does allow several benefits, to some but not others then it's not equal. Same sex couples are not requesting "special rights" and I really have no idea where your train of thought derailed if that's what you think. They want the same rights afforded to heterosexual couples. Things like insurance benefits, secure hospital visitation, and being able to file for joint adoption.


In conclusion i'm not 100% where you get the idea that the law is equal and has the same rights when clearly same sex couples are getting the short end of the stick.

If you are in a same-sex marriage in one of the states where same-sex marriage is allowed (Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont, and D.C.), or if you are in a domestic partnership or civil union in any of the states that offer those relationship options, none of the benefits of marriage under federal law will apply to you, because the federal government does not recognize these same-sex relationships. For example, you may not file joint federal income tax returns with your partner, even if your state allows you to file taxes jointly. And other federal benefits, such as Social Security death benefits and COBRA continuation insurance coverage, may not apply.
Source: http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/marriage-rights-benefits-30190.html
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Posted 3/28/13

mhibicke wrote:


JayVeeDees wrote:

Well you don't have to get married to love someone -.- I don't see the big deal by getting married.. Though I would support them for being able to marry someone, but it's in my opinion a waste of effort. :P


It's not about love; it's about equal protection under the law (for us and the ones we love), which is covered by the 14th amendment.

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Because the legal and financial protections provided by marriage are being denied to the families of same-sex couples who are not allowed to be married, then we and our families/children are not receiving equal protection under the law as defined by the 14th amendment.

Marriage is not the only issue, it's just the one that's being pressed at the moment. Right now it is legal in 29 states to be fired or evicted for being gay, and it took a CA Supreme Court decision to force certain health care providers to stop denying medical care to gays for religious reasons. Only 18 states explicitly allow same-sex second-parent adoptions, which provide two legal parents for a child that would otherwise have one, and many states explicitly deny single-parent adoptions or adoption by homosexuals, essentially denying children any parent at all.


ah, I understand.. In my country marriage isn't such a big deal, you just get married because you want to share everything with each other and that's pretty much it.
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I fully support gay marriage, and I hope the supreme court gives it the A-OK.
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I am a-ok with gays getting every right and ability straight people has. From Adopting to marriage. Nothing wrong with it, AT ALL! This is coming from a straight guy!
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JayVeeDees wrote:

ah, I understand.. In my country marriage isn't such a big deal, you just get married because you want to share everything with each other and that's pretty much it.

You only think that because you're 16 and still a romantic. If it were just about love, then divorce would be easy. Marriage is a legal contract to share your children, possessions, inheritance, and financial responsibilities, even when you hate your spouse so much you can't stand the sight of him/her. This is why arranged marriages are more likely to succeed than marriages "for love" - because they don't go into it expecting to be happy.

Anyway, my disillusionment aside, the burden of marriage comes with a lot of protections and benefits, like being able to make medical decisions on behalf of a seriously ill spouse, or even being allowed to visit him/her in the hospital. Other benefits include being able to share an insurance plan, joint bank accounts and credit cards, shared tax returns (and subsequent changes in tax rates), equal access and rights to children, social security/disability payments, veteran's benefits, etc. In the event of a divorce, parents who were married with children work out custody arrangements, child support, and alimony. The non-custodial parent has visitation rights and should the custodial parent die or become unable to care for the child/ren, the non-custodial parent gets custody by default, rather than needing to spend many thousands of dollars and years of effort trying to convince an unsympathetic judge not to allow the child/ren to become a ward of the state, or be adopted by strangers or extended family.
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