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carsarelittle wrote: I can't wait for the sequel to this thread -- Why do women generalize men that generalize women? ![]() ![]() That should be interesting... Why don't you make it? Or do you think I should for irony? |
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carsarelittle wrote: I can't wait for the sequel to this thread -- Why do women generalize men that generalize women? ![]() ![]() No kidding! Will it ever end?!? ![]() Stereotypes have existed, do exist, and will continue to exist. People generalize due to certain actions being displayed over and over. So there's obviously SOME sort of truth to it. They're there in the first place because GENERALLY men or women tended to exhibit the same traits, emotions, or actions, thus, creating the generalization. Of course, there will always be people who don't match up to this. I think a lot of us will fit into a certain mold, yet break the molds of others. We're all different people, with special and unique qualities that make up our own awesome identity. ![]() |
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Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide aeb0717 wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide dark_paradox_21 wrote: 1) Ms. aeb01717, that most certainly IS a generalization of men. 2) Men and women ARE most certainly, biologically different. Not only in the obvious genitalia, "grey" and "white" matter in the brain is distributed differently and women have a different arrangement of rods and cones in the eyes which allow them to see a broader spectrum of colors. When a guy says "purple" and a woman says, "No, its fuchsia" they really are seeing different things. They also have radically different hormonal levels and more pronounced hormone production cycles which visible alter mood. These core differences will alter perceptions, how data is analyzed, social interactions, etc. 3) When male and female animal behavior are compared, no one has a problem. When a brightly colored male bird draws predators away from the nest while the female sits on the eggs, no one calls the birds sexist. When we say the same thing about human men and women, people freak out and call it sexist and imply that the person making the comment is ignorant and biased. There are male and female instinctual behaviors which ARE different. Humans, both male and female, have the intellect necessary to largely override instinctual drives, but they are always a part of us. 4) Most stereotypes exist for a reason. Some are unfair or poorly thought-out. For example, I don't know anyone who doesn't like fried chicken or watermelon (except maybe vegans). Some stereotypes are based on observation and are much more likely to be true. Stereotyping is a necessary part of human behavior. The human brain can only maintain so many distinct emotional relationships. Being able to categorize strangers is a survival instinct which is biologically engrained in all of us. 5) Culture has had a massive influence on the population. For thousands of years women have been the "fairer" sex. Women have largely abstained from wars and battle. Women become mothers and are looked to for caring and guidance. Women who break away from this maternal, reliable image are often harshly labeled "sluts" or "dykes." The US is particularly bad about this. We have four generations of women who grew up with Ken buying Barbie the Malibu beachhouse. The entitlement culture for women in this nation is so deeply engrained that women rarely notice it and men aren't allowed to say it without being branded as "pigs." Add to that the fact that in American culture, the male is expected to pursue the woman 99% of the time. A woman just has to be willing. A man has to have looks, charm, or a fat wallet. Having traveled around the world, I can say from experience that American women are, in general, more selfish, materialistic and short-sighted. My best relationships by far have been with Eastern-European (Romanian) and Japanese women. They can be educated, employed, reliable, support equal rights and still behave as women. 6) There are numerous pseudo-men or man-boys in this world, especially in the US. Entitlement culture and a wealthy nation's lifestyle have led many males to wear flip-flops, get meaningless tattoos, avoid commitment, and in general behave as adolescents well into adulthood. Just 40 years ago, men were expected to register for the draft, fight foreign enemies, and become stable, reliable providers for family. In modern times, most of these man-boys have never even worked in physical labor, or been paid for anything that didn't involve pushing papers or flipping burgers. Yet if they are in shape and have a tattoo, young women tend to fall for them. It is pathetic. When women put out for douche bags, it encourages more men to BE douche bags. I spent 6 years in the military. I grew up with real martial arts (the kind that teach you how to kill things and defend yourself and your loved ones under real-world conditions, not the kind to earn points, find "enlightenment", adjust one's chi, hug other guys in a ring or any other BS). I grew up in Montana and Arizona knowing how to survive in the wilderness, hunt, fish, and perform first aid. I skipped grades to graduate early, am college educated, and made well more than the US mean household income by the age of 24. I also ran 3 miles four times per week. I went on a first date with a 27 year-old woman and I wanted to look sharp, so I wore a suit and took her to a nice lounge for drinks. She informed me that, "You aren't tough enough. My last boyfriend was a tattoo artist." I have encountered this sort of shallow attitude in 9 out of 10 women I speak with. In the end, a person should do as they please -- labels are something other people add after the fact. So if you want to avoid these negative stereotypes, try not to fall into them. If you want to be treated well, pick better company. I am not uninformed of reality, and I'm most certainly not delusional. As I've said or implied several times to other people who've made comments, I'm trying to even things out a bit by having made a thread about men. If you don't like it, you yourself can easily "pick better company." Hostile much? I just explained, quite rationally I thought, why these "I don't understand women" posts exist. You did ask why generalizations are made. It is in big, bold print right at the top of the first page. |
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dark_paradox_21 wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide aeb0717 wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide dark_paradox_21 wrote: 1) Ms. aeb01717, that most certainly IS a generalization of men. 2) Men and women ARE most certainly, biologically different. Not only in the obvious genitalia, "grey" and "white" matter in the brain is distributed differently and women have a different arrangement of rods and cones in the eyes which allow them to see a broader spectrum of colors. When a guy says "purple" and a woman says, "No, its fuchsia" they really are seeing different things. They also have radically different hormonal levels and more pronounced hormone production cycles which visible alter mood. These core differences will alter perceptions, how data is analyzed, social interactions, etc. 3) When male and female animal behavior are compared, no one has a problem. When a brightly colored male bird draws predators away from the nest while the female sits on the eggs, no one calls the birds sexist. When we say the same thing about human men and women, people freak out and call it sexist and imply that the person making the comment is ignorant and biased. There are male and female instinctual behaviors which ARE different. Humans, both male and female, have the intellect necessary to largely override instinctual drives, but they are always a part of us. 4) Most stereotypes exist for a reason. Some are unfair or poorly thought-out. For example, I don't know anyone who doesn't like fried chicken or watermelon (except maybe vegans). Some stereotypes are based on observation and are much more likely to be true. Stereotyping is a necessary part of human behavior. The human brain can only maintain so many distinct emotional relationships. Being able to categorize strangers is a survival instinct which is biologically engrained in all of us. 5) Culture has had a massive influence on the population. For thousands of years women have been the "fairer" sex. Women have largely abstained from wars and battle. Women become mothers and are looked to for caring and guidance. Women who break away from this maternal, reliable image are often harshly labeled "sluts" or "dykes." The US is particularly bad about this. We have four generations of women who grew up with Ken buying Barbie the Malibu beachhouse. The entitlement culture for women in this nation is so deeply engrained that women rarely notice it and men aren't allowed to say it without being branded as "pigs." Add to that the fact that in American culture, the male is expected to pursue the woman 99% of the time. A woman just has to be willing. A man has to have looks, charm, or a fat wallet. Having traveled around the world, I can say from experience that American women are, in general, more selfish, materialistic and short-sighted. My best relationships by far have been with Eastern-European (Romanian) and Japanese women. They can be educated, employed, reliable, support equal rights and still behave as women. 6) There are numerous pseudo-men or man-boys in this world, especially in the US. Entitlement culture and a wealthy nation's lifestyle have led many males to wear flip-flops, get meaningless tattoos, avoid commitment, and in general behave as adolescents well into adulthood. Just 40 years ago, men were expected to register for the draft, fight foreign enemies, and become stable, reliable providers for family. In modern times, most of these man-boys have never even worked in physical labor, or been paid for anything that didn't involve pushing papers or flipping burgers. Yet if they are in shape and have a tattoo, young women tend to fall for them. It is pathetic. When women put out for douche bags, it encourages more men to BE douche bags. I spent 6 years in the military. I grew up with real martial arts (the kind that teach you how to kill things and defend yourself and your loved ones under real-world conditions, not the kind to earn points, find "enlightenment", adjust one's chi, hug other guys in a ring or any other BS). I grew up in Montana and Arizona knowing how to survive in the wilderness, hunt, fish, and perform first aid. I skipped grades to graduate early, am college educated, and made well more than the US mean household income by the age of 24. I also ran 3 miles four times per week. I went on a first date with a 27 year-old woman and I wanted to look sharp, so I wore a suit and took her to a nice lounge for drinks. She informed me that, "You aren't tough enough. My last boyfriend was a tattoo artist." I have encountered this sort of shallow attitude in 9 out of 10 women I speak with. In the end, a person should do as they please -- labels are something other people add after the fact. So if you want to avoid these negative stereotypes, try not to fall into them. If you want to be treated well, pick better company. I am not uninformed of reality, and I'm most certainly not delusional. As I've said or implied several times to other people who've made comments, I'm trying to even things out a bit by having made a thread about men. If you don't like it, you yourself can easily "pick better company." Hostile much? I just explained, quite rationally I thought, why these "I don't understand women" posts exist. You did ask why generalizations are made. It is in big, bold print right at the top of the first page. Eh... Not as hostile as I seemed. You came off as patronizing, and that's what I reacted to. |
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Doesn't everyone generalize something at some point? I think the issue isn't generalization, it's their actions and attitudes after they do it. For example, I generally do not date afro-americans women for a slew of reasons. I also don't care for fat chicks. You can only imagine the instant disgust I feel when I see a fat, black chick *shudders*. But on that note, I will not disrespect them all blatantly calling all black women this and fat chicks that. I simply choose to escape their presence. I don't, however, hate them. I hate individual people for individual reasons. But for people I generalize, it's more so I'm being more reserved because my expectations are not that high. Some do impress and we become friends, but I don't seek them out. Like I'm sure some people here love Big titty girls while others love girls with big asses (I'm a titty man myself), but I'm not gonna NOT talk to a girl because she doesn't have big titties. I'll simply be drawn to the big breasted one more cause it's more attractive to me. If you put a fat white girl next to a big tittied black chick and told me to choose, I'd choose the black chick. But put that same black chick next to a big tittied spanish chick and the spanish chick wins.
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very hypocritical thread we have here don't girl do it to girls and men do it to men and men do to girls and girls do to men
if any think think girls more generalize men more |
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Really this thread, Don't get me started. I avoid ever saying such comments because I believe it is wrong to class women as "women" and men as "men" every person is different regardless of race or gender I've said this for years.
Some of my former girlfriends most common and last words were "You men," I never classed her as a "woman" just as a person, and that's how it should be. Men and women are not really as different as people try to make them out to be. |
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what was that? I couldn't hear you from the kitchen.
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Ami even good at this sort of thing anymore?
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Just kidding haha.
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Ami even good at this sort of thing anymore?
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It's the internet. Half of everyone on here isn't really talking seriously, and the other half talk way too seriously. And then the other half is just seeking a true companion to share in the anguish of their souls.
I think men generalize women because we're trying to find a pattern. We're simple creatures, you know? ![]() Then there's all the women who give them reason to believe these generalizations. Like, I've noticed that unless they're telling you to treat women like ladies, you should rarely trust a woman who gives you advice on how to deal with women xP Like, I've heard women say that when they say "nothing" it's really something or that they'll never talk about how they really feel far too many times, even when they do just that. In the end we just go into confusion overload and spill our guts out on tumblr with a really, really heartfelt reaction gif XD Or we make posts on forums that objectify and generalize women. Or maybe, the whole thing is just for revenge, or because, like all humans, sometimes we just need to spew the stew that's been boiling inside our heads, which rarely actually corresponds to what we really think or mean ![]() |
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Well personally I dont generalize based on gender. I only make one generalization: There is stupid, and there is me (this would say smart but I haven't found anyone that matches my intellect yet). Nothing more, nothing less.
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Each and every human being is complicated in my opinion. Not just women.
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aeb0717 wrote: This is a response to the "Why are women so complicated?" and "What is a girl?" threads that are popular at the moment, and primarily ill-natured comments associated with these threads. Please note that this isn't an attack on all men. It's especially ironic that alot of the complaints about us women regard how self-conscious and overly-critical men apparently tend to believe us to be. As for the ladies who's behavior actually fits the overwhelming stereotype of women, perhaps they wouldn't act that way if "you men" wouldn't be so judgmental. The nasty comments about us females accurately portray how vicious men can be. Edit at 1:29 pm on March 28, eastern US time: The point of my thread is "Tit for Tat." I'm well aware of the realities of generalizations. This is supposed to focus on evening the score. I've mentioned this several times in the comments, starting shortly after this thread was made. I'm not interested in repeating myself anymore. This whole comment just seems wrong. Most men aren't that judgmental for instance. when I see a girl I usually go straight to one of her best features and tend to look toward the positive. that's just from a visual standpoint. the point is this post is stereotyping, generalizing guys and its just not true and why would you have to even the score? didn't women start those other threads you were talking about? |
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