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No, YOUR getting off track, or we both are, the topic for discussion was on HELL, or am I wrong to quote the one who started the thread?
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The question is about hell. How can we look at hell without looking at where it came from? You think we would ever be able to do any investigation of anything if we just looked at one part of it?

"Well what is water?"
"Water is wet."
"Hmm water is made of up 2 hydrogen atoms and 1 oxygen a..."
"No no your missing the point! This is about what is water. We dont need to discuss its make up!"


The entire fairy tale of hell rests with the fairy tale it came from.

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My intention for posting here originally was to give comfort to the one who started this thread,

You on the other hand seem to enjoy tearing down or apart everything to suit your own selfish view of things, like in the discussion on the flat earth, You were correct that in ancient times many held that the world was flat, however in the Bible I had mentioned several verses that showed that the world was set in it's orbit, the use of similies and figures of speech or illustrations are found in the Scriptures,

But as to Isa. 40:22: “There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth.” In ancient times the general opinion was that the earth was flat. It was not until over 200 years after this Bible text had been written that a school of Greek philosophers reasoned that the earth likely was spherical, and in about another 300 years a Greek astronomer calculated the approximate radius of the earth. But the idea of a spherical earth was not the general view even then. Only in the 20th century has it been possible for humans to travel by airplane, and later into outer space and even to the moon, thus giving them a clear view of “the circle” of earth’s horizon.

I do not want to use the thread owner's topic to jump from one topic to another, because it would get us nowhere, history shows that the world " Hell " was used almost exclusively by later translators

Here is a question for you, What are the origins on the teaching of Hellfire?
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I'm not policing this thread on how on track it stays, and I don't think any of the moderators are unless we start talking about something like how poptarts will swell up to 4 times their size if you soak them in water. Thank you anyway AcadGlade for wanting to keep it on topic, but my opening post was actually about something even more specific than just Hell.

Essentially I wanted to know why belief in Hell is basically treated like a prerequisite to believing in God. Wouldn't it make more sense to advertise that there may be different levels of hell (well I know the Bible doesn't say that so I guess it's not really practical)? Then people who are good just because they like to be good won't go to heaven but don't have to worry about such a bad hell if they have a compulsion not to believe in either due to the lack of evidence.
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Posted 4/28/13

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I'm not policing this thread on how on track it stays, and I don't think any of the moderators are unless we start talking about something like how poptarts will swell up to 4 times their size if you soak them in water. Thank you anyway AcadGlade for wanting to keep it on topic, but my opening post was actually about something even more specific than just Hell.

Essentially I wanted to know why belief in Hell is basically treated like a prerequisite to believing in God. Wouldn't it make more sense to advertise that there may be different levels of hell (well I know the Bible doesn't say that so I guess it's not really practical)? Then people who are good just because they like to be good won't go to heaven but don't have to worry about such a bad hell if they have a compulsion not to believe in either due to the lack of evidence.


I think I already pointed out, Hell was added into the bible later. There is no such place in that religion until later wen people started adding new ideas into the bible to try to keep people from leaving the religion. (so they added another fear tactic. AKA HELL.)
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AcadGlade wrote:

My intention for posting here originally was to give comfort to the one who started this thread,

You on the other hand seem to enjoy tearing down or apart everything to suit your own selfish view of things, like in the discussion on the flat earth, You were correct that in ancient times many held that the world was flat, however in the Bible I had mentioned several verses that showed that the world was set in it's orbit, the use of similies and figures of speech or illustrations are found in the Scriptures,

But as to Isa. 40:22: “There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth.” In ancient times the general opinion was that the earth was flat. It was not until over 200 years after this Bible text had been written that a school of Greek philosophers reasoned that the earth likely was spherical, and in about another 300 years a Greek astronomer calculated the approximate radius of the earth. But the idea of a spherical earth was not the general view even then. Only in the 20th century has it been possible for humans to travel by airplane, and later into outer space and even to the moon, thus giving them a clear view of “the circle” of earth’s horizon.

I do not want to use the thread owner's topic to jump from one topic to another, because it would get us nowhere, history shows that the world " Hell " was used almost exclusively by later translators

Here is a question for you, What are the origins on the teaching of Hellfire?


Circle of earth like a plate. Yeah Earth is a flat circler and has four corners. (blink blink...) um the bible's have trouble keeping their facts straight lol. Think they also compared earth to a snow globe, you know a giant Ice dome over top of a flat circler late like earth. But I am sure they removed those outlandish claims from the bible by now.

I mean they took out the part about how it is ok to rape a little girl as long as you pay her father then merry her after words, she has no choice but to marry her rapist.
Or the part about how it is ok to have slaves and beat the shit out of im as long as they don't die till three days later from the beating.
(bible I am sure is much better now right?)
Let me try reading it again and we will see how much of it has changed.


(Gota love Christian morality lol.)
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I believe there is one god that rules the entire universe. Hes unseen and is a spirit. Thats what I believe. Rather than believe...I strongly know.



“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”

― Stephen Hawking
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I mean they took out the part about how it is ok to rape a little girl as long as you pay her father then merry her after words, she has no choice but to marry her rapist.
Or the part about how it is ok to have slaves and beat the shit out of im as long as they don't die till three days later from the beating.
(bible I am sure is much better now right?)
Let me try reading it again and we will see how much of it has changed.


(Gota love Christian morality lol.)

Excuse me? What are you implying, where are these verses your claiming are?, Don't just spout off half cocked and make claims without proof.

The Bible, I am saying the Bible, condemns raping of a woman in the mosaic law, And by principle that would include children, and as far as having slaves, even an idiot realizes it's not okay to have them in these modern times, and the scriptures, If they do mention it, it's either used, especially in the Christian Greek Scriptures, it's used as a figure of speech, or as an illustration about something important, and remember, during their time rich people did have slaves,

Now the Bible has great advise on how to live a clean simple life, but YOU don't have to heed it if YOU don't want to, YOU can go off and do as YOU please, and suffer the consequences of YOUR actions.
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AcadGlade
Excuse me? What are you implying, where are these verses your claiming are?, Don't just spout off half cocked and make claims without proof.

The Bible, I am saying the Bible, condemns raping of a woman in the mosaic law, And by principle that would include children, and as far as having slaves, even an idiot realizes it's not okay to have them in these modern times, and the scriptures, If they do mention it, it's either used, especially in the Christian Greek Scriptures, it's used as a figure of speech, or as an illustration about something important, and remember, during their time rich people did have slaves,

Now the Bible has great advise on how to live a clean simple life, but YOU don't have to heed it if YOU don't want to, YOU can go off and do as YOU please, and suffer the consequences of YOUR actions.


Deuteronomy 21:10-14, Exodus 21:7-11, Numbers 31:17-18

My personal favorite is one that Darkphoenix brought up...

Deuteronomy 22:28 - If a man find a young woman that is a virgin, who is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
Deuteronomy 22:29 - Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the young woman's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he has violated her, he may not put her away all his days.

So that is what he was referring too I believe....
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I like your words. Don't take me the wrong way
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AcadGlade
Excuse me? What are you implying, where are these verses your claiming are?, Don't just spout off half cocked and make claims without proof.

The Bible, I am saying the Bible, condemns raping of a woman in the mosaic law, And by principle that would include children, and as far as having slaves, even an idiot realizes it's not okay to have them in these modern times, and the scriptures, If they do mention it, it's either used, especially in the Christian Greek Scriptures, it's used as a figure of speech, or as an illustration about something important, and remember, during their time rich people did have slaves,

Now the Bible has great advise on how to live a clean simple life, but YOU don't have to heed it if YOU don't want to, YOU can go off and do as YOU please, and suffer the consequences of YOUR actions.


Deuteronomy 21:10-14, Exodus 21:7-11, Numbers 31:17-18

My personal favorite is one that Darkphoenix brought up...

Deuteronomy 22:28 - If a man find a young woman that is a virgin, who is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
Deuteronomy 22:29 - Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the young woman's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he has violated her, he may not put her away all his days.

So that is what he was referring too I believe....


Yep. One of my favorites as well.

Posted 5/6/13
Religion is silly.

Posted 5/6/13
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HELL was actually NOT created for humans but for lucifer and gang but since we sinned and went to the wrong side..... but all men are sinners, still faithful ones make it safe to Heaven cuz they believe and accept that the son of God died for our sins. That's the gift of salvation. Simple, all we have to do is accept it and bid farewell to Hell!
Posted 5/7/13
However, if god is all encompassingly powerful, why would hell need to exist? Why would such a loving and fair deity allow a place to exist where he creations would burn for eternity for denying him his narcissistic daily praise? It makes zero sense, and just sounds like nonsense. Then again applying logic to the bible is usually a fast way for people to harp on about testaments and instigates shouting matches from those with too few intelligence points to realize the whole things a sham.

There is no reason a loving god should allow his creations to suffer in a hell. Case in point, god is useless, 99.99999% chance doesn't exist, and is a petulant angry little babyman if he does.

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