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Nope. We are doomed.
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I guess I'd go for that,
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moonhawk81 wrote:

Yeah--trouble is that they are all different types of animals, so they'd be busy eating each other instead of pulling the harness. . .

You're forgetting the other half of the analogy. The whip is more than just a fashion accessory, as any misbehaving animal would soon discover. Intolerance would be the hallmark of any centralized world government. Even passive dissent could never be tolerated and nothing gets the towns attention like a public whipping. Except maybe a public hanging.

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Fuck Centralization , I want my Freedom , only needy people need to have a big government to tell them what to do. Anyone that sacrifices their independence for a false sense of security deserves what they get


I for one can't wait until Libertarians get their perfect world.

Then I can crush them, see them driven before me and hear the lamentation of their women and no one has the authority to stop me

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trinkit wrote:


moonhawk81 wrote:

Yeah--trouble is that they are all different types of animals, so they'd be busy eating each other instead of pulling the harness. . .

You're forgetting the other half of the analogy. The whip is more than just a fashion accessory, as any misbehaving animal would soon discover. Intolerance would be the hallmark of any centralized world government. Even passive dissent could never be tolerated and nothing gets the towns attention like a public whipping. Except maybe a public hanging.



The whip might work on the ox, but not the tiger. You'd have to shoot it, in which case you'd have no more tiger. A central world government would by necessity be too oppressive for me to ever support the idea. But at least I never have to worry about being its victim--I'd have already died fighting against its establishment, thus missing the true horrors to come.
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Arkthethird wrote:


mlchanges wrote:


Arkthethird wrote:

Fuck Centralization , I want my Freedom , only needy people need to have a big government to tell them what to do. Anyone that sacrifices their independence for a false sense of security deserves what they get


I for one can't wait until Libertarians get their perfect world.

Then I can crush them, see them driven before me and hear the lamentation of their women and no one has the authority to stop me



Enjoy your Fema camp Bro


FEMA camp? Bro, I'm on your side! Hurricane takes out my house Ima tell FEMA to stuff it while I kick it in my lean-to.
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moonhawk81 wrote:

The whip might work on the ox, but not the tiger. You'd have to shoot it, in which case you'd have no more tiger. A central world government would by necessity be too oppressive for me to ever support the idea. But at least I never have to worry about being its victim--I'd have already died fighting against its establishment, thus missing the true horrors to come.


I believe the only way the OP's scenario becomes reality is after WWIII has been fought. There will be no surviving tigers, only sheep and politicians. I would not wish to exist as a sheep, and I detest all politicians. I would prefer to die as a tiger.

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trinkit wrote:


moonhawk81 wrote:

The whip might work on the ox, but not the tiger. You'd have to shoot it, in which case you'd have no more tiger. A central world government would by necessity be too oppressive for me to ever support the idea. But at least I never have to worry about being its victim--I'd have already died fighting against its establishment, thus missing the true horrors to come.


I believe the only way the OP's scenario becomes reality is after WWIII has been fought. There will be no surviving tigers, only sheep and politicians. I would not wish to exist as a sheep, and I detest all politicians. I would prefer to die as a tiger.



Good attitude! Keep it.
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if it's managed well then yes. if not, then no. I imagine the whole world coming together as one nation in the future. We're closer then you think e.g. the United Nations


I hope not, I don't like how some things are run (and laws) in other countries...


Well, that's why I said "in the future" because you can't really predict how much things can change in the long run while living in an ever-changing society. Also, who says the whole world will have to be run by the laws of other countries, does the United Nations follow the laws of one specific country? no. It's all a democratic process based on the standard of how things should be run so to maintain a peaceful and equal society.


Well, if you're going to make the world come together into a single entity, then (normally) you need to have a single set of laws for the whole world. If you're going to have a single set of laws for the whole world, then it must be decided which laws they will be. As it stands, not all countries have the same set of laws, and if they do they do not always carry the same meaning or enforcement or amendments to it. The UN does have a set of laws that most of it's member countries have agreed upon, but not all. The US is one of the member countries that do not follow/agree to all the laws the UN has set forth on the basis of sovereignty and conflict with our constitutional rights. Nevertheless, there is a push for and a fight against adherence of the laws set by the UN. An example, parental rights are one of the topics the US & the UN do not agree on. While the US provides to a degree parental freedom to rear their children, the UN is more in favor of more governmental control, even over the objections of the parent.
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PhyongHwa wrote:


irtiza9169 wrote:


PhyongHwa wrote:


irtiza9169 wrote:

if it's managed well then yes. if not, then no. I imagine the whole world coming together as one nation in the future. We're closer then you think e.g. the United Nations


I hope not, I don't like how some things are run (and laws) in other countries...


Well, that's why I said "in the future" because you can't really predict how much things can change in the long run while living in an ever-changing society. Also, who says the whole world will have to be run by the laws of other countries, does the United Nations follow the laws of one specific country? no. It's all a democratic process based on the standard of how things should be run so to maintain a peaceful and equal society.


Well, if you're going to make the world come together into a single entity, then (normally) you need to have a single set of laws for the whole world. If you're going to have a single set of laws for the whole world, then it must be decided which laws they will be. As it stands, not all countries have the same set of laws, and if they do they do not always carry the same meaning or enforcement or amendments to it. The UN does have a set of laws that most of it's member countries have agreed upon, but not all. The US is one of the member countries that do not follow/agree to all the laws the UN has set forth on the basis of sovereignty and conflict with our constitutional rights. Nevertheless, there is a push for and a fight against adherence of the laws set by the UN. An example, parental rights are one of the topics the US & the UN do not agree on. While the US provides to a degree parental freedom to rear their children, the UN is more in favor of more governmental control, even over the objections of the parent.


Okay....so what's your point. You're not refuting what I just said but more or less agreeing with it instead. So, thanks for understanding.
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“If men were angels, no government would be necessary.

If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.

In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself.

A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions.”

― James Madison, The Federalist Papers
Posted 4/4/13 , edited 4/4/13
the biggest deception is probably thinking we are too dumb and irresponsible to be in control of our own lives.

i'm not anarchist i think government's can be great when people are given rights and are not under 24/7 surveillance. The current power structures are just repressive and corrupt, they are bound to topple. Get rid of secret societies, war criminals still behind big decisions in congress, media cheerleaders for deceitful politicians, and corporations and banks with far too much of an influence. I think we already have a world government disguised as separate democracy's.
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No way when it comes to government I'm conservative. Before the USA one person ruled the masses. These politicians make to much money and they don't do anything but point the finger especially Obama. Freedom should be for every country and the only way to raise people out of poverty is through capitalism. That's what's great about the constitution it makes it clear what the government cannot do to their citizens and keeps the power equal so one branch doesn't get power hungry. Although today government is more corrupt than ever the only thing that might be more corrupt is the UN
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