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So about this little tiff with North Korea...
Posted 4/4/13 , edited 4/4/13
I guess Best Korea wants to get ICBMed off the f*ing map.
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A brutal dictator of a poor/deprived country is making threats in an effort to puff himself and his regime up? And in other news water is wet and oxygen has a 99.9% approval rating with humans. I take North Korea about as seriously as I do the lizard people who live in the Earth's core.


Hey those lizard folk don't mess around. You remember Mt. St. Helens? Also 100% of humans who breathe oxygen die. I do not approve.
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North Korea is a bunch of thugs nothing more
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Hopefully nothing will happen but if they attack then it could get really ugly really fast. Especially thanks to China and Russia. Russia btw sent two Nuclear bombers to fly over Guam just last month and we did nothing. They are testing us; they are playing with fire and are bound to get burn.

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No one really cares about north korea's threats here in california. We all knew that those threats were all bluffs...lol
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Personally I am not so sure NK won't try anything...they are being led by a rabid dog, who let's face it - was brought up by his father in believing that his country is all that and a bag of chips. He thinks the US is a bunch of blow hards who will just keep slapping his wrist and we won't actually take any action. And unfortunately, he has kinda seen that we really won't...what did we do when they sunk that S. Korean ship and killed 46 sailors a couple years ago? Absolutely nothing because they said, "Oh, we didn't do that...".
They are like a child pushing boundaries and we aren't doing anything except saying, "No no, don't do that." We need to be saying, "Alright, I am going to get my belt and gonna beat your ass if you do that again!"

Currently there are reports that NK is reopening a nuclear facility that was closed in 2007 (its cooling tower was destroyed in 2008). They are in the process of rebuilding the cooling towers and it is reported that it will take them less than 3 months to be operational and making weapon grade plutonium. My question is: Should we leave them to rebuild this cooling plant and reopen this nuclear facility?
Even if they are years from perfecting a missile that could in fact reach the US, the threat is still there and they are proving to be driven to that cause. You wouldn't leave a black widow hanging out in the back of your closet just because it wasn't harming you at the moment - the next thing you know, it has crawled in one of your shoes and has bitten you.

I don't know the right answer. If we decide to stop them from advancing further, we risk starting a war or at the least, a large ugly dispute. Personally, I don't think we have much to lose by advancing and letting NK know we aren't going to back away from their threats. I wouldn't mind seeing NK liberated and the rule given back to S.Korea - all Koreans being free. That wouldn't be such a bad thing in my way of thinking.
Then again, I probably need to take of my rose colored glasses now.
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Same thing was said about Iraq, and look at the opposition we encountered. Sure, the current government led by Saddam did fall. But the loyalist are still at it, 9~ years later, even with the technology they had.

Imagine the pockets of even more North Korean loyalist we will encounter...
Remember, we're made out to be the bad guys, we're the invading Satan forces of evil that eat birds and drink snow...

I say, do nothing for now. Just set up those anti-air defense systems.
We're risking too much.
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We're risking too much.


Well said.
And don't diss Kim to much. Everyone has its limit after which they stop to reason logically and really start to do crazy stuff instead of only talking about it!
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Asians.
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a619ko wrote:




Same thing was said about Iraq, and look at the opposition we encountered. Sure, the current government led by Saddam did fall. But the loyalist are still at it, 9~ years later, even with the technology they had.

Imagine the pockets of even more North Korean loyalist we will encounter...
Remember, we're made out to be the bad guys, we're the invading Satan forces of evil that eat birds and drink snow...

I say, do nothing for now. Just set up those anti-air defense systems.
We're risking too much.


That's pretty much what I said....

It's not the war we need to worry about, it's the clean up and re-establishing of a government.
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NK has been a festering problem for a long time. Their current paradigm of goverment and social policies has led them into a resource starved trap. They may very well do something crazy since they've been painting themselves in a corner for the last 20 years. At some point their leaders are going to decide they have nothing left to lose.
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a619ko wrote:




Same thing was said about Iraq, and look at the opposition we encountered. Sure, the current government led by Saddam did fall. But the loyalist are still at it, 9~ years later, even with the technology they had.

Imagine the pockets of even more North Korean loyalist we will encounter...
Remember, we're made out to be the bad guys, we're the invading Satan forces of evil that eat birds and drink snow...

I say, do nothing for now. Just set up those anti-air defense systems.
We're risking too much.


There is a difference between the two though. All we would have to do to win is prevent them from getting the aid that they need to keep themselves alive and their military fighting enough to where they can't go out into the fields to grow food. Iraq is a country that could always support itself while North Korea needs outside help just to keep surviving.


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a619ko wrote:




Same thing was said about Iraq, and look at the opposition we encountered. Sure, the current government led by Saddam did fall. But the loyalist are still at it, 9~ years later, even with the technology they had.

Imagine the pockets of even more North Korean loyalist we will encounter...
Remember, we're made out to be the bad guys, we're the invading Satan forces of evil that eat birds and drink snow...

I say, do nothing for now. Just set up those anti-air defense systems.
We're risking too much.


That's pretty much what I said....

It's not the war we need to worry about, it's the clean up and re-establishing of a government.


Not really. We could just let a country fend for itself for once instead of believing we always have to be there to hold its hand the entire time.
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Not the whole time, but until they at least have a new government set up.
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Having served in South Korea with the US Army back in 1999, and having studied up on North Korea a little, my educated guess is that all this is just saber rattling.

Granted, its a bit more than usual, but they also have a new leader who's inexperienced and probably hasn't proven himself to his people yet, so needs to show he's a strong guy who can lead their poor starving lives into a better tomorrow. And because North Koreans don't have the US First Amendment to free speech, expression, press, and they don't have access to CNN, MSNBC, Al-Jazeera, BBC, they only see and hear what their government wants them to hear.

And unfortunately there's also a lot of secret police who round up anyone who's not devoting 110% to the leader, and the people are too weak from hunger to try rebelling against their government, while said government continues to blame all their woes on the US, who, to be honest, is partly at fault due to sanctions. But it also lets them deflect blame off themselves to get their people riled up against someone else, which is how all dictatorships work (blame someone else).

That's not to say they may not try something, and its getting to the point where if a shot is fired from either side, all that gunpowder tension in the region is going to explode. But honestly, I don't think Kim is that stupid despite looking like he is by provoking all this.

In the event the war does heat back up, my guess is that the US will let South Korea invade the North while providing a support role (air strikes, communications, intel on enemy movements), so as to prevent China from doing a repeat of 1950 where they sent ground troops to help out North Korea (which they did in the first place because they themselves became Communist less than a year, and thought the UN troops wouldn't stop at North Korea, and would invade China that way).

The conventional fighting would probably last weeks, or a few months at most, but the loss of life will be devastating on both sides, due to the North's sheer amount of artillery and rockets they'll no doubt lob into South Korea just to take out as many people and infrastructure as possible.

And that's the main problem with just going in to take them out. Sure, they wouldn't last long, especially if China doesn't intervene this time around. But the cost in lives and property would be catastrophic, especially on South Korea's side. Of course, warmongers and armchair generals usually disregard that part, and see taking out North Korea as something simple, good, and would be over by Christmas, just like everyone during the beginning of World War 1 thought as well.
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