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lol haters gtfo
Aku no Hana delights in bleeding its superiority over ur favs
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animation makes me cringe alittle
Cringe could have been its alternate title. The whole thing is supposed to make you feel uncomfortable. It's definitely not an anime in the traditional sense, neither in its style, nor its subject matter.

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The series interested me since the first time I read the title, but I didn't expect it to be the highlight of the season for me.

It really keeps getting better and better.

P.S We should make it a thing whenever someone trashes the series on another thread to respond with 2 words: "shit eater"
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Man_Of_Leisure wrote:

The series interested me since the first time I read the title, but I didn't expect it to be the highlight of the season for me.

It really keeps getting better and better.

P.S We should make it a thing whenever someone trashes the series on another thread to respond with 2 words: "shit eater"


That wouldn't work. Your post and any subsequent posts with said words would be deleted. Not to mention it's rude (yes, I realize that you are probably joking, but still).

v Yeah, good thing too.
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Posted 5/23/13 , edited 5/23/13
Thank god Debbie Downer is here to rectify the situation.
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Episode 8 Super short episode, and obviously suffers from sub budget constraints. I really liked it though, especially the music - it's so atmospheric. The ending throws up lots of questions as to what's about to happen next ;D
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Posted 5/27/13 , edited 5/27/13

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Episode 8 I really liked it though, especially the music - it's so atmospheric. The ending throws up lots of questions as to what's about to happen next ;D


The cat is definitely out of the bag, but yeah, thinking up all the things that might happen is definitely worse than knowing what will happen... And then next time...they might play a game to determine what?



At least now, he can say she was in on the vandalism, too. Not like she'd probably care, though.
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This episode was mostly filler, althought I'm sure it's just not looking as good because I'm comparing it to the last episode which gave me chills with that last scene. For some reason it's odd as an American to see Japanese teenagers experiencing the same nihilistic attitude that I struggled with in highschool. I feel like I idealize the japanese highschool experience because I have no direct contact with the culture. This show just makes me feel a real connection with the people of Japan because I know that they also have real hopelessness and fear and anger in their lives, just like we do. I don;t know, I'm rambling at this point, but I really feel like this show is doing something great because I'm left with this... I don't know, like cavernous feeling in my heart when an episode ends. So pumped for next weeks episode!
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Also, I hate to be the guy who brings up racism, but when I hear people saying things about how the characters are ugly I can't help but feel like there is a little bit of racism behind those statements. True, the animation style is untraditional and many anime fans havent been exposed to rotoscoped animation, But I think the fact that the characters actually look japanese instead of having unrealistic features is awesome. I really think SOME anime fans have an issue if the characters actually look ethnic. I'm not trying to start a flamfest or anything, Just hearing people call the characters ugly bugged me.
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Posted 5/27/13
Ratcheting ... up ... the tension. As if this show could be any more tense!

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Nyarlethotep wrote:Also, I hate to be the guy who brings up racism, but when I hear people saying things about how the characters are ugly I can't help but feel like there is a little bit of racism behind those statements.
No. Earlier in this thread someone posted a picture (or a link to one) of the the cast.They are better-looking than their rotoscoped representations. The animators are clearly "uglying them up."

In any case, reality is always less-better-looking than the highly stylized, idealized world of a cartoon. This series isn't really an anime in the traditional sense. It is breaking many of the paradigms that anime normally works in. It's natural that a fan of anime coming to this series might be put off by the fact it's much different than what he'd normally expect to see.

I think both of those are much more reasonable explanations on why someone would say the characters are "ugly," than jumping to the conclusion that we're all racists.

If you need further argument, consider the town they're in. It too is ugly. While a lot of anime takes pains to re-create real-world settings, they don't usually go to the trouble of showing how the signs are bent and faded; how the bridges are dripping rust; how the whole place looks tired and worn out. If I say this city is "ugly," is this somehow a culturally insensitive critique of Japan's infrastructure?
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You have to catch her at the right angle, I'm not really happy with this picture, but does anyone else see the striking similarities ( imo ) between 1980's Kim Cattrall and Nakamura?
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Nyarlethotep wrote:Also, I hate to be the guy who brings up racism, but when I hear people saying things about how the characters are ugly I can't help but feel like there is a little bit of racism behind those statements.
No. Earlier in this thread someone posted a picture (or a link to one) of the the cast.They are better-looking than their rotoscoped representations. The animators are clearly "uglying them up."

In any case, reality is always less-better-looking than the highly stylized, idealized world of a cartoon. This series isn't really an anime in the traditional sense. It is breaking many of the paradigms that anime normally works in. It's natural that a fan of anime coming to this series might be put off by the fact it's much different than what he'd normally expect to see.

I think both of those are much more reasonable explanations on why someone would say the characters are "ugly," than jumping to the conclusion that we're all racists.

If you need further argument, consider the town they're in. It too is ugly. While a lot of anime takes pains to re-create real-world settings, they don't usually go to the trouble of showing how the signs are bent and faded; how the bridges are dripping rust; how the whole place looks tired and worn out. If I say this city is "ugly," is this somehow a culturally insensitive critique of Japan's infrastructure?

I would have to disagree. I don't think the animators "Ugly-ed up" the actors as much as they just made them plainer looking. The animation style is definitely non sequitur by the standards of most anime, but the change in animation style still doesn't seem different enough for me to call anything ugly.

You are right that there are most definitely other reasons that people may find the series off putting, and I made a point in my original post to show that I was by no means talking about ALL criticism of the show, as there are legitimate reasons for some people to find issue with it. I was more talking about some of the comments I read while googling info about the show, about how the characters are ugly. I just felt that some of the people taking this stance are just so used to associating anime with giant eyes and non human looking characters, that seeing characters that actually looked like real Japanese kids was an unwelcome change. It just seemed odd that I saw so many people using the word "Ugly" when referring to the characters

As for the setting, I get the feeling that they show the crumbling nature of the town they live in to give you the same hopeless, decaying feeling that Kasuga feels while living in the town, That's how I interpret it at least. I never made a blanket statement, and I feel like your over generalizing what I was trying to say. I would never assume that all people who didn't like the animation style were racists just because they said they didn't like it, I just thought I would voice my opinion based purely upon the tone of some of the comments I saw. I do appreciate a well thought out response though :]
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Nyarlethotep wrote: I would have to disagree. I don't think the animators "Ugly-ed up" the actors as much as they just made them plainer looking. The animation style is definitely non sequitur by the standards of most anime, but the change in animation style still doesn't seem different enough for me to call anything ugly.
Well, that is a better statement, yes; they're not grotesque-ugly, they're just plain.

In fact, most people are rather plain, and what we see on TV is always a distortion of this. Even "reality shows" take pains to only cast good-looking people, and they still get a fair amount of professional touch-up. So when we see an unremarkable-looking person on TV, who isn't made-up or looking showroom fresh, we may think, "ugh, what is that?" even though if we saw that same person in real life, we wouldn't ever notice. Such is the nature of entertainment.

Nyarlethotep wrote: As for the setting, I get the feeling that they show the crumbling nature of the town they live in to give you the same hopeless, decaying feeling that Kasuga feels while living in the town
Oh, definitely. I think this series is brilliant all the way around. I don't think there's one wasted frame here of throw-away. People were complaining for example about how boring that long walk was in the last episode--I took that to be quite deliberate. It reminded me a little of that scene early-on in Kurosawa's Stray Dog when the policeman goes "underground." That too was a long, drawn-out walk, but by the time it ends, we wonder if he's even still a cop, or if he's actually lost it all and really is on skid row. The long walk in this series made me think of a lot of things, including the afterglow of two lovers in shame because they have just cheated with each other. Which fits well, if one interprets that vandalism scene as the two of them engaging in their perverted version of love-making.

Anyway, as we've both noted, all of this is all quite out of the realm of a typical anime*, which as a rule emphasizes a highly-stylized, unrealistic beauty (along with of course unrealistic behavior--unless I really am to believe that the average Joe in Japan usually has his choice among a half-dozen hot co-eds fighting over him). I don't think though that the "ugliness" people are complaining about would be any different if the characters were Caucasian, assuming the animators took the same measures to make them look plain and unremarkable.



*It's all so different from an anime, in fact, I'm not even sure we should call it that, unless we really want to use that term to just mean "a cartoon made in Japan." But I do think that anime is more than that, and works in certain tropes, and this one breaks quite a few of them. So when I recommend this series to anime fans, I always mention that it's not really an anime in the traditional sense and to be prepared for something different.
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What a downer this episode...
Unless he really does have a problem or maybe does like about Nakamura instead, even without realizing it... In all, this left me with more of a "Gee, what can he do now?" sad feeling than the dread of "oh no, what's coming next!"

On another note, is this an intentional play on words and translations, do you suppose? Shouldn't it be Ready, Set, 5 (go)! instead of 3 (san).



I can't think of any other reason for the "3", unless maybe he's hinting at a triangle? Nah, couldn't be.
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