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Um.. Where did you get those pictures? Is there a website or forum that spoils the whole game yet?
I play the game on my PS Vita and take screen shots. Those are pictures from my game...

Might be a walkthrough somewhere, don't know... I am trying to actually play it myself rather than just cheating/spoiling myself on all of it. The pictures above are out of order so they don't actually spoil the plot though I suppose if you never thought you'd have lunch with Yukinon you might be spoiled, sorry...
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Wow you can read japanese? Cool.
Im waiting for people to translate the game and put it on youtube or something.though It will take a while before it happens, sadly.
And lol no, i dont consider that a spoiler.
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Wow you can read japanese? Cool.
Im waiting for people to translate the game and put it on youtube or something.though It will take a while before it happens, sadly.
And lol no, i dont consider that a spoiler.
Yes, learnIng Japanese is SO worth it! I really don't get why so few do it. If you learn Japanese you can read the novels, play the games, watch the OVAs without subs.... work in Japan... it isn't that difficult if you have a goal like... to play games in Japanese! Or read manga or novels in Japanese.
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In terms of light novels sells My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU came in fifth in overall sells.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-12-01/top-selling-light-novels-in-japan-by-series/2013
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Yes, learnIng Japanese is SO worth it! I really don't get why so few do it.

I dunno, because..it's hard as hell?!

I know you and I discussed this before somewhere else on these vast boards..the US Foreign Service estimates over 2,000 hours of instruction and immersion are needed by native English speakers to become fluent, making Japanese one of the hardest languages for us to learn. You yourself I think said it took you ten years on and off, finally getting deep into it for your job. It was a major commitment for you, I'm sure.

And I assume you have some proficiency for language. Not everyone does, unfortunately, and it can be very frustrating. I've been "learning" French for over 30 years and I still can't carry a conversation in it or watch a French movie without subtitles.

I'd love to be able to tackle Japanese and enjoy the product in its native package but I doubt I'll ever progress past "sugoi, "ne," and "desu." (Which means I'll never speak any Japanese I guess, because I'm not a weeaboo.)

I'm jealous of folks like you who have mastered it, and I'm thankful for your help in explaining the finer points of the language in bringing forth subtle details in some of the stories (or untangling subtitle head-scratchers).
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TopPercentRaticate wrote:

Wow you can read japanese? Cool.
Im waiting for people to translate the game and put it on youtube or something.though It will take a while before it happens, sadly.
And lol no, i dont consider that a spoiler.
Yes, learnIng Japanese is SO worth it! I really don't get why so few do it. If you learn Japanese you can read the novels, play the games, watch the OVAs without subs.... work in Japan... it isn't that difficult if you have a goal like... to play games in Japanese! Or read manga or novels in Japanese.


Or write vocaloid songs! Lol i wish... But a man can dream.
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hpulley wrote:
Yes, learnIng Japanese is SO worth it! I really don't get why so few do it.

I dunno, because..it's hard as hell?!

I know you and I discussed this before somewhere else on these vast boards..the US Foreign Service estimates over 2,000 hours of instruction and immersion are needed by native English speakers to become fluent, making Japanese one of the hardest languages for us to learn. You yourself I think said it took you ten years on and off, finally getting deep into it for your job. It was a major commitment for you, I'm sure.

And I assume you have some proficiency for language. Not everyone does, unfortunately, and it can be very frustrating. I've been "learning" French for over 30 years and I still can't carry a conversation in it or watch a French movie without subtitles.

I'd love to be able to tackle Japanese and enjoy the product in its native package but I doubt I'll ever progress past "sugoi, "ne," and "desu." (Which means I'll never speak any Japanese I guess, because I'm not a weeaboo.)

I'm jealous of folks like you who have mastered it, and I'm thankful for your help in explaining the finer points of the language in bringing forth subtle details in some of the stories (or untangling subtitle head-scratchers).
I was reading manga and holding conversations within a couple of years of study. Six years until I was reading novels because kanji and vocab took longer. Only had one year of night classes of formal instruction. My job got me over the hump but then I had to read and watch a lot to progress as technical Japanese is very narrowly focused. Work plus class meant at least 40 hours per week immersion plus TV and reading another at first 5 hours a week, now 20-40 hours per week. When I lived in Japan it was 18-20 hours a day... which is the fastest way to rack up 2000 immersive hours in a few months.

But mainly I had a reason or reasons to want to learn it, and I was and am obsessed with it. That really helps. First wanting to read manga, then the job, tea ceremony, sumo, wanting to read novels, play games. I have no such interest in French lit or jobs even though it is our second official language here.

Chinese reading must be more difficult with no hiragana or furigana stepping stone. And more importantly there is no obsession for me to learn it. I would need to live there but I can immerse myself in Japanese anywhere.

Games like OreGairu are excellent practice and motivation!
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I too am jealous, I need more drive to learn quicker What age did you start btw?

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...I too am jealous, I need more drive to learn quicker What age did you start btw?
I just started learning it 8 years ago when I was 33 years old so you are never too old to learn a language!

I wasn't really serious about it until 6 years ago (35 years old) when I took a year of night classes at college and passed the basic Japanese Language Proficiency Test at the end of that year, 5 years ago (December 2008), before working and living in Japan in for a few months in 2009. Was supposed to live and work there 2011-2014 but the earthquake disaster cancelled those plans. Since then I've worked on Japanese user interfaces and documentation for work but with it all being technical it is quite limited in scope.

I use manga, novels, anime and J-drama to continue my learning though I have to be careful, I was told I spoke like a high schooler a few months ago so I need to remember to use my polite formal Japanese in business situations. But when I got to Japan I found it hard to converse in casual situations because all I knew was formal Japanese! Now I have no problem with casual or formal Japanese but have to remember which one I'm using...
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I too am jealous, I need more drive to learn quicker What age did you start btw?



Two free websites that I have found useful so far.
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/
http://www.nhk.or.jp/lesson/english/
I am going to have to figure something else out for kanji, though. I am thinking about getting these http://www.crunchyroll.com/store/p/80002/Kanji-de-Manga-Complete-Set
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That's great to hear, I won't give up then.
And thanks, bookmarked them both, I probably won't worry about kanji until I memorize both kana, I do know the Kanji for woman though so no harem anime bathhouse incidents in my future at least.
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That's great to hear, I won't give up then.
And thanks, bookmarked them both, I probably won't worry about kanji until I memorize both kana, I do know the Kanji for woman though so no harem anime bathhouse incidents in my future at least.
But they're fun and mixed baths are best... and you can still fall for the 男 sign over the 女 sign trick...

Once you know woman 女 and home 家 then you can see where bride 嫁 comes from, the woman and the house... And the girl with a comb in her hair 姉 is the older sister... and a bunch of women together are noisy 姦... see, kanji is easy!
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Sunnoir wrote:

That's great to hear, I won't give up then.
And thanks, bookmarked them both, I probably won't worry about kanji until I memorize both kana, I do know the Kanji for woman though so no harem anime bathhouse incidents in my future at least.
But they're fun and mixed baths are best... and you can still fall for the 男 sign over the 女 sign trick...

Once you know woman 女 and home 家 then you can see where bride 嫁 comes from, the woman and the house... And the girl with a comb in her hair 姉 is the older sister... and a bunch of women together are noisy 姦... see, kanji is easy!


Where would one go after they finish going over the jouyou kanji? I should be done around January, and so I'm just wondering what to do after that? How should I learn all the non-jouyou kanji that I'll still need to know?
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Where would one go after they finish going over the jouyou kanji? I should be done around January, and so I'm just wondering what to do after that? How should I learn all the non-jouyou kanji that I'll still need to know?
Read! Read, read, read, read, and read some more. Any kanji in popular use off the jouyou kanji list will be ones you encounter. I find gaining vocabulary through reading to be best. I find it sticks if I encounter it in use, in context. When I try to simply read dictionaries I find it doesn't stick as well. Plus, this way you will find the kanji that are common for your interests. If you read about ghosts and mages then you may encounter different kanji than if you like to read romance novels.

For those who haven't gone through the school lists already, the list of the 2500 most frequent kanji is useful:
http://www.hellodamage.com/tdr/archive/7diary/byfreq.html
There are some on the school lists you will almost never encounter but others outside the jouyou kanji which are in fact quite common. If you learn them top to bottom you will learn the most useful ones first, the most common ones to encounter. Some light novel authors enjoy using particularly rare kanji just to make the readers resort to dictionaries.

But don't forget that you need to learn words, not just kanji. And idioms... again, I think both are best learned by encountering them while reading. Trying to simply memorize words by themselves doesn't work well for me. But what worked for me may not work for you...
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Read! Read, read, read, read, and read some more. Any kanji in popular use off the jouyou kanji list will be ones you encounter. I find gaining vocabulary through reading to be best. I find it sticks if I encounter it in use, in context. When I try to simply read dictionaries I find it doesn't stick as well. Plus, this way you will find the kanji that are common for your interests. If you read about ghosts and mages then you may encounter different kanji than if you like to read romance novels.

For those who haven't gone through the school lists already, the list of the 2500 most frequent kanji is useful:
http://www.hellodamage.com/tdr/archive/7diary/byfreq.html
There are some on the school lists you will almost never encounter but others outside the jouyou kanji which are in fact quite common. If you learn them top to bottom you will learn the most useful ones first, the most common ones to encounter. Some light novel authors enjoy using particularly rare kanji just to make the readers resort to dictionaries.

But don't forget that you need to learn words, not just kanji. And idioms... again, I think both are best learned by encountering them while reading. Trying to simply memorize words by themselves doesn't work well for me. But what worked for me may not work for you...


Thanks! Do you know of any reading materials that would be useful and not too difficult? I enjoy most genres (I guess that means more kanji to learn ).
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