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She Was Asking For It - Abuse in Shoujo
Posted 4/7/13 , edited 4/7/13
I came across this great article online while I got lost on the internet:

http://www.sleepisfortheweak.org/articles/shoujodangers.html

I personally think it makes some incredible points. After you read it, say what you think about the topic. No arguing please - discuss differing opinions instead.

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~That's why I hate most shoujo mangas... Most "heroines" always get treated like shit by the "heroes" and still, the heroines end up with the heroes who are actually douchebags, and then they get all sweet and lovey-dovey. It's like some weird and sick fantasy that's ideal for most shoujo manga authors. Horrendous...
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_DaboinextdoorSed wrote:

~That's why I hate most shoujo mangas... Most "heroines" always get treated like shit by the "heroes" and still, the heroines end up with the heroes who are actually douchebags, and then they get all sweet and lovey-dovey. It's like some weird and sick fantasy that's ideal for most shoujo manga authors. Horrendous...


Yup. Same here. I'm a girl myself, and I grew up in a pretty sh*tty household. Abuse in real life in sickening. I loathe how it is so glorified in so many Shoujo's. Every now and then though, I'll come across a really great Shoujo that does not have these problems - but gosh is it like looking for a needle in a haystack.
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magicuser360 wrote:


_DaboinextdoorSed wrote:

~That's why I hate most shoujo mangas... Most "heroines" always get treated like shit by the "heroes" and still, the heroines end up with the heroes who are actually douchebags, and then they get all sweet and lovey-dovey. It's like some weird and sick fantasy that's ideal for most shoujo manga authors. Horrendous...


Yup. Same here. I'm a girl myself, and I grew up in a pretty sh*tty household. Abuse in real life in sickening. I loathe how it is so glorified in so many Shoujo's. Every now and then though, I'll come across a really great Shoujo that does not have these problems - but gosh is it like looking for a needle in a haystack.


It's like shoujo manga authors are bluntly portraying their ideal girl, someone who gets treated like trash but will still forgive them for being a dick...well that's just my opinion...ahh whatever...
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I've always taken issue with that kind of dynamic, it's the same reason Twilight gives me a sinking feeling in my stomach. If anyone had that kind of relationship in real life we'd be horrified and likely plead with them to break off the relationship before they get really hurt, yet in fiction it's portrayed all too often in a positive light. It creeps me the hell out and I know that somewhere some emotional unstable/inexperienced young women/man is going to see that and get the idea in their head that behavior like that is okay in real life.

I'm all for exaggerated portrayals of romance, Strawberry Panic is one of my favorite anime of all time, but when something is so common and so frequently played straight it just gets old. I know it's fiction and of course it sells or they wouldn't keep writing it like that but that doesn't make it any less uncomfortable.
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Look on the flip side.

Shonen themes where the females are the dominant ones.
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Aren't most Shoujo mangakas women?
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Yeah, I think it's wrong to do that<.< I have no idea why the authors do this, maybe they have got the stereotype of girls go for bad guys stuck in their heads -.- I haven't seen that many shoujo's lol, but I can clearly see why people could see the problem with it.

EDIT: It's the same with Shonen, just reverse here -.- Girls are the ones being dominant. Maybe it's just because the author's think that this is a key factor in making a Shonen or Shoujo genre successful. (Even though I fully disagree -.-)
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Daemon_Magister wrote:

Look on the flip side.

Shonen themes where the females are the dominant ones.


Difference is in Shonen it's portrayed as comedic and meant to be taken as an over the top exaggeration, "Oh look at the tsundere whack the protagonist, she must be crazy about him." whereas in Shoujo it's portrayed as romantic and in a lot of cases ideal. It's problematic and cliche for it's own reasons, but in that case it's a lot less creepy.
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Things like this are why I hardly read shoujo (I've also noticed this in a lot of korean comics though).
I've noticed, however, that a lot of Japanese girls seem to be masochists. XD Toma being the most popular in Amnesia is a good example of this.
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Daemon_Magister wrote:

Look on the flip side.

Shonen themes where the females are the dominant ones.


Difference is, it is played for comedic effect. Like I said in my personal commentary - if the hitting is played for laughs (like a funny kick, or flying punch) it is fine.

Problem is in Shoujo, it is not played for comedic effect, but in a serious manner.
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Sharkrin wrote:

Things like this are why I hardly read shoujo (I've also noticed this in a lot of korean comics though).
I've noticed, however, that a lot of Japanese girls seem to be masochists. XD Toma being the most popular in Amnesia is a good example of this.


Korean comics for the most part, are even worse. Not only is their abuse, but the relationships and everything are SO SHALLOW. And everyone is incredibly beautiful and it is ALWAYS commented on. Somehow, this is very different from a Japanese manga. It is so...Prevalent and forced in Korean comics.

It almost makes Korea come across as a country with a really low self esteem.

...On the other hand, I'm part Korean and this is something I have noticed about Koreans as well. But that's a whole new can of worms.
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That's definitely true. XD I stopped reading them almost altogether because of that.
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magicuser360 wrote:


Daemon_Magister wrote:

Look on the flip side.

Shonen themes where the females are the dominant ones.


Difference is, it is played for comedic effect. Like I said in my personal commentary - if the hitting is played for laughs (like a funny kick, or flying punch) it is fine.

Problem is in Shoujo, it is not played for comedic effect, but in a serious manner.


So abuse is okay as long as we laugh at it? It's okay as long as it's just some one being irrational? "oh no, through no fault of your own you might have seen my underwear? >THRUNCH!<

and of course if the male in question actually notices anything. well then... he was asking for it.

Just wanted make sure I understood your hypocrisy.

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Are most Shoujo author's male? I've heard that a lot of female fan fiction takes on similar approaches. That is with an overly aggressive male and passive female pairing as some sort of fantasy outlet. Is it possible it's something like that?

As you can tell I don't know anything about this genre.
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