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Posted 6/18/13

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Alles hat ein Ende, nur die Wurst hat zwei.


lol, indeed sir... indeed it does.
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I'm surprised you served and have an attitude like that. You should know better than anyone why we need a military. There are many threats against American soil, you just don't know about all of them. And it's that way for a reason. Brave men kill in the night so that you can sleep peacefully.
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Posted 7/21/13

Marth720 wrote:

I'm surprised you served and have an attitude like that. You should know better than anyone why we need a military. There are many threats against American soil, you just don't know about all of them. And it's that way for a reason. Brave men kill in the night so that you can sleep peacefully.


Yes as a former soldier I know all about the threats to America and America's threats to other countries as well.

In the end we spend more money on are army than the rest of the world put together. Money that could be used to improve schooling, healthcare, resources, and improve are budgets and get out of debt for once.

Wen will people realize that we are hated by other countries do to are meddling and bully tactics, and not do to are freedoms. Hell in the freedom index we are ranked in the 30's meaning that 30+ countries people happen to have more freedoms and rights than we do. But that's ok who needs freedom wen we can have are big brother government tell us and the rest of the world what we can and can not do.

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luis353 wrote:

Waste of money. They aren't even able to stop the Taliban or North-Korea, and when they go to war (Iraq), it's only for there own gain, and not to free the people.


We could end them in 1 minute. We just decide to use the humane way of settling things.


No. We've already entered these countries, and if we don't pull out before providing a level of stability we'll be making the same mistake that European de-colonizers were making a century ago. We started this, and no matter how difficult it may seem, we're going to have to finish it. I think the basic thing we're going to have to acknowledge is that their interests are just as important as ours, and that ultimately our goal is to provide a stable environment so that they can exercise their right to national self-determination.
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Posted 7/21/13
Oh, America.
When will you learn.
You need bombs to fight a war, not people and their tiny guns!
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Posted 7/22/13
I can assure you that this is and should be the least of your concerns.
Most of your taxes are probably paying for the ever increasing debt cealing your goverment can't seem to put a hold on :)
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Posted 7/22/13

SoundAndFury wrote:


schnipdip wrote:


luis353 wrote:

Waste of money. They aren't even able to stop the Taliban or North-Korea, and when they go to war (Iraq), it's only for there own gain, and not to free the people.


We could end them in 1 minute. We just decide to use the humane way of settling things.


No. We've already entered these countries, and if we don't pull out before providing a level of stability we'll be making the same mistake that European de-colonizers were making a century ago. We started this, and no matter how difficult it may seem, we're going to have to finish it. I think the basic thing we're going to have to acknowledge is that their interests are just as important as ours, and that ultimately our goal is to provide a stable environment so that they can exercise their right to national self-determination.


We've entered South Korea and not North Korea. They have 2 different governments. You have to have permission by the N. Korean government to even enter N.K.
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Posted 7/22/13
You have to train soldiers how to use weapons, can't just hand them a gun and say, "go get them!" and it costs money to use those weapons. You want to train marines to fire a mortar? You have to have them practice firing that mortar. Shells and maintenance aren't cheap, so yeah, you'll be spending a bit.
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Posted 7/23/13
And besides they have been doing nothing but cutting for the past couple years.
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Posted 7/24/13

schnipdip wrote:

We could end them in 1 minute. We just decide to use the humane way of settling things.


So much is wonderful about the US; both culturally and in their impact on the rest of the world. In spite of all that is a sinister element does exist, and it's this side that everyone else in the world is constantly assailed with. We see NRA spokesmen spouting impossible nonsense in the face of rationality, Presidents announcing holy war and Louis Theroux making documentaries. The US certainly gets a bad rap, but there must be something underlying all the pessimism.

"Under the pressure of war we finally made the atom bomb, and for reasons which seemed justifiable at the time we dropped it on two Japanese cities-and I think we finally frightened ourselves." ~ John Steinbeck (my fave writer)

I tend to believe this (Truman's executive order to be specific) is the pertinent foundational myth justifying decades of brutality and a very military-centric culture. All sovereignties (except maybe our masters in scandinavia) are imperfect; when that country is incapable of acknowledging and academically discussing said imperfections is when problems arise. Since one particular certain event America appears to have devolved and regressed until, to much of the rest of the world, it seems affected by a nationwide, genetically inheritable case of PTSD.

"We have been sold a fairytale masquerading as history, and it's so blinding that it may ultimately undo us." ~ Oliver Stone

I don't mean to offend anyone, after all I'm very fond of America and honestly would be seriously deluded to contend otherwise given how Australia's almost like a younger sibling of it. We have plenty of our own problems to deal with before we can consider chiding the US, particularly with the appallingly xenophobic refugee policy recently announced. This is just how I conclude personally at this stage.
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Posted 7/25/13
I read like half of the first page and lol'd hard.
Who in their right mind could possibly think they have the slightest clue about what our government's doing?
To have faith in them is one thing, but to try and have a factual argument about their activities kinda makes you look silly.
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The U.S. sure is ready to kill i think it keeps this high military spending to make any other country understand that if you try to f around u will die ... maybe warry about Russia though we seem to be on better terms... mmm idk i don't know enough to answer the question sorry but i do think instead of paying tax on killing people we should spend it on ,like you said, education healthcare science and stuff... too bad my generation was left with hate from other countries because of what my ancestors did... i wish we could all just come together without seperate countries or views but until then the stupid people who wan't to start problems cause us to use military to fight against them or to cause more stupid problems like damed children of the earth
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Posted 8/11/13
most of our tax dollars that goes to the military ends up in the hands of CEOs of companies like northrop grumman, haliburton, blackwater....
thats how america operates. we fleece the tax payers to give more money to the rich and powerful.
Posted 2/13/14 , edited 2/15/14

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We didn't start anything. The US alone is a neutral country. We don't go to war for no apparent reason. We have to have a justifiable cause to go to war.


The US is neutral? Since when?
American neutrality ended during WW1


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I'm not stating my opinion nor defending or attacking the US.

Iceland has no standing military and its protection is the responsibility of NATO. Iceland itself has a national police force, a coast guard, and the civilian operated Icelandic Crisis Response Unit which only participates in peacekeeping missions. It would be the assumption that their "military" expenditure (0.13% of GDP) goes to outfitting these three units and some is probably sent to NATO.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ic.html

As of 2011 NATO's defense expenditures as a percentage of its Gross Domestic Product (GDP) was 3.0%. The US military expenditure as of 2012 was 4.35 of its GDP for the year. Not that much of a difference.
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/news_85966.htm?mode=pressrelease

In 2012 China spent 1.99% of its GDP on military expenditures. As of 2012 the US spent just over 2 times the percentage that China had. The US deals with a military that is better equipped, more technologically advanced, depended more on by the international community and deployed more often than China's military. The US was also involved in two wars at the time.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ch.html

I'd also like to point out that comparing the US to Iceland really isn't fair. Iceland is not a powerful country thus it has very little influence on the international community; unlike the US which is a super power. Iceland does not have the international issues that the US has nor is it involved in as many conflicts. It should also be kept in mind that the US does not use its military only for combat operations, it's also used for aid, relief, and peacekeeping. Bottom line Iceland has very little reason to spend money on a military, such little reason that they don't even have an official military and its safety is up to NATO. It should also be noted that the US is scaling back its military.

I agree that the US needs to start spending more money at home. However, as a super power and a country that very much likes to be involved in transnational and international issues with an imperialistic nature and as a country many other nations depend on, to a certain level, the US cannot escape responsibility. A lot of responsibility for the rest of the world comes when a country takes the position and stance that the US has. Being the US and knowing that the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few is how the world works, for the most part, the "few" are US citizens, the "many" are the world. With the US also believing that it has to be a world wide entity it creates even more responsibility and greater criticism.
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CrimsonFinality knows what he is talking about

History has shown you don't need a military untill you really need a military

I for one would like to have a well equipped and trained military just in case
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