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I dunno, Why doesnt she fight him off, its been shown time and tiem again she can kick his ass even when he's vampired up, maybe this red eye vampire stuff makes him stronger?


I think like some have stated... Saki didn't quite grasp why Haruto called his power a curse and she's seen him that way before but the look was different and he never once went for a vampire attack on the neck. So maybe she realized this is what his torment will be. We know she has feelings for him but at the same time she wants to do what she can to help and that's why she stopped struggling even thought it also looked like she blushed a little bit but maybe my vision deceived me. Not saying whether its right or wrong just merely conjecture on my part.
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I've also heard that strange rationalization is a common part of rape/sexual abuse. Im expecting her to try look after haruto after this and him just feel massively jealous/shy away from her so that they can continue the triangle as long as possible.

Saki's complicated reaction to what was happening is what made the whole thing admissible, I think. It elevated the rape above a superficial trope being used for shock value and made it important to both characters and to the story.

Hopefully, anyway. It'll depend on future episodes to know for sure.


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the fact that the rape/non-rape scene in episode 10 is the most discussed, proves sunrise still has it up the sleeve.

the moon landing

secretary general shoko

yolo'ing students

These are not important, I feel that if they just showed xxx scene it would of been fine, lol.

I think they definitely had to set it up the way they did with the rest of the episode. That's what made it so effecting.

It's been awhile since I saw an episode manipulate an audience as well as this one did.
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It's been awhile since I saw an episode manipulate an audience as well as this one did.


Sunrise did its job, and did it very well. So it makes me wonder what was all the previous "stuff" for. hmm...
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mipegg wrote:



I've also heard that strange rationalization is a common part of rape/sexual abuse. Im expecting her to try look after haruto after this and him just feel massively jealous/shy away from her so that they can continue the triangle as long as possible.

Saki's complicated reaction to what was happening is what made the whole thing admissible, I think. It elevated the rape above a superficial trope being used for shock value and made it important to both characters and to the story.

It's been awhile since I saw an episode manipulate an audience as well as this one did.



I would agree with that, I think that this could be the catalyst to turn a tropey dull standard love triangle into something much deeper and more complex. Im not expecting a Natsuyuki Rendezvous here but something more than the standard awkward anime 'romance' would be nice.

Also nice to see 4 decent mecha anime, Valvrave (slowly trucking along, maybe picking up massively here), MJP (Concepts all done before but some fantastic animation and really cool design), Gargiantia (was slow as hell and starting to bore me but the most recent episode was great) and then AoT (Its kinda mecha, I guess. Flesh-a doesnt have the same ring to it...)
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did not see that coming but looking back on things they were foreshadowing it with the AI's curiosity in sex for several episodes.


There is no way you can consider it consensual for either of them, even if she did stop struggling. That machine hijacked his brain for it's own curiosity and amusement.

They are both victims here,

the guilt is going to rip him apart and it's going to be difficult for her to be near him even with the knowledge that it wasn't his fault.
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mipegg wrote:


But then we get to the question of: what happens to Shoko in all of this? Will they tell her in a future episode? (personally I doubt this)
You can't end a love triangle just like that...YOU GOTTA ADD MORE HIGH SCHOOL DRAMA!
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mipegg wrote:


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mipegg wrote:


I can see that happening.

Haruto will be awkward around Shoko but Saki will act normally. I'm predicting Haruto will feel that he has done something horrible to Saki and grow regretful of what he has become and that would be the reason why he will try and distance himself from Saki. He might even try to run away from the whole situation, though I don't see that being too likely.

Saki will confront him and say she'll always be by his side no matter what happens or something. There will be tears and yelling at each other. In the end, they'll go to being less than lovers, more than friends.

...its like I'm writing fanfiction or something lol
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Its just standard anime logic, not really fanfiction! I would like an actual relationship of haruto/saki to form rather than the dumb not quite anything but not quite friends and not fuckbuddies etc. I wonder if they could grow close and have a proper relationship leading to her having to kill him from the attacks? This could go well or it could go very dull and generic


But then we get to the question of: what happens to Shoko in all of this? Will they tell her in a future episode? (personally I doubt this)


I expect that haruto will make saki not tell her then at some point saki/haruto will have an argument about haruto being too nice to shoko with shoko listening in and saki'll mention it
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If what you say happens, I'm expecting Shoko to continue to act like she didn't hear anything, thinking that Haruto chose Saki.
Their relationship will be strained and distant until something major happens like Shoko is kidnapped by the Dorssians or something and Haruto risks his life to save her and finally admits his feelings. Saki will see this and finally know that she can't "win".
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mipegg wrote:


If what you say happens, I'm expecting Shoko to continue to act like she didn't hear anything, thinking that Haruto chose Saki.
Their relationship will be strained and distant until something major happens like Shoko is kidnapped by the Dorssians or something and Haruto risks his life to save her and finally admits his feelings. Saki will see this and finally know that she can't "win".


I think thats a pretty decent guestimation to be honest. It'll either be completely boring standard never mention it again fair or somthing along those lines in my view
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My prediction is that Shoko dies towards the end of the first cour. Until that point Haruto will be conflicted because he wants to be with Shoko but feels guilty about Saki, and after Shoko dies Saki will feel like she never really "won" Haruto away from her which will estrange their relationship further while Haruto bottles up an intense amount of self-incrimination before throwing himself into a suicide mission against the Dorssian military at the earliest opportunity.

The other pilots will be chasing after to save him when the cour ends on a cliffhanger, and the new season will come in after a short time jump (potentially with Haruto and his Valvrave captured by the Dorssians).

This is also when L-Elf will become a Valvrave pilot in order to help infiltrate Dorssia. In this scenario there's also 50/50 odds on Shoko finding out about the rape early in her death episode and dying while hurt and angry with Haruto.
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The Valvraves are useless to the Dorssians right now. They would need to set up a similar school of soldiers unless they can convince the JIOR Golden Seven to fight for them. So I don't know what value the Valvraves actually have at this point. As a bluff right now to give to whichever side helps them they are useful as a bargaining chip but once they are 'sold' there will be some lunchbag letdown to come.

I hope Shoko doesn't die in the first cour but I too can see it as a cliffhanger ending at least, is she dead? Like the first episode.

I can see Saki and Haruto hiding the attack from the rest of them. Haruto may not even know he did it so perhaps only Saki has to hide it.
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Being that this is the Code Geass dude, things posted above all are possibilities
What I would enjoy is actually none of what's stated above and what occurs is like a blindside. A man can hope right?
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And L-Elf cant pilot since he hasnt been changed like the kids have, as we learned from today
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Keep in mind the name "Golden 7" if we assume the 5 Valvrave's are counted who are the other two? That's why I have some doubts about Shoko's death. After she becomes PM maybe she gets included as one of the "Golden Seven."
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Posted 6/15/13 , edited 6/15/13

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The Valvraves are useless to the Dorssians right now. They would need to set up a similar school of soldiers unless they can convince the JIOR Golden Seven to fight for them. So I don't know what value the Valvraves actually have at this point. As a bluff right now to give to whichever side helps them they are useful as a bargaining chip but once they are 'sold' there will be some lunchbag letdown to come.

The Dorssian guy with the eyepatch is related to the Valvraves somehow, from episode 8. When A-drei reported to him he said "It was just as you indicated, Captain. I located five completed Valvraves in the lowest level of the Module." There's also a shot of something glowing green in a bird cage in his office which seems like a tease.

But that guy definitely knows something about the Valvraves, it's like he's only there to capture them.

(Screenshots, tagged for space).


mipegg wrote:

And L-Elf cant pilot since he hasnt been changed like the kids have, as we learned from today

Ah, good point. Scratch that bit then.
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