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just caught up from 1-11 very interested in this anime
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1. They throw a festival in the middle of war?! Are you kidding me? Yes obviously when you are in a war that is exactly what you do. Devote days, perhaps weeks of valuable time not to securing food or planning defense, but a freaking festival.

2. So now being a vampire apparently makes you bite people AND occasionally you'll rape people. Why would you give your main character that kind of uncontrollable power? What was wrong with just biting them? Oh but the girl was totally into him so nevermind. Honestly how on earth is this ever going to be relevant with the plot or are they going to keep having him rape girls? It feels like they just threw it in there to shock us and include sex in the story.

1. The festival is to take place once they reach the moon, which is neutral territory (although we've seen how [un]safe that can be). Don't underestimate the need for stress relief during time of war, especially during those rare opportunities to take advantage of it. Securing food doesn't seem to be much of a problem. After all, they are on what was apparently a self-sufficient colony module made for a far larger population.

2. Since we've seen no uncontrollable urges from the other Valvrave pilots, it seems to be unique to the AI-equipped model, and directly tied to it (i.e, "I'm hungry", and "SEX....SEX....SEX..."). I suspect it was the original, and along with its greater capability, it has some drawbacks. The remaining units eliminated the drawbacks, as the expense of that extra power. It may have been that unit 1 was never intended to be put into normal operation.

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just caught up from 1-11 very interested in this anime :)


And here I thought you weren't gonna watch this from what you posted last page
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... Since we've seen no uncontrollable urges from the other Valvrave pilots, it seems to be unique to the AI-equipped model, and directly tied to it (i.e, "I'm hungry", and "SEX....SEX....SEX..."). I suspect it was the original, and along with its greater capability, it has some drawbacks. The remaining units eliminated the drawbacks, as the expense of that extra power. It may have been that unit 1 was never intended to be put into normal operation.


I'm hungry. Is this sex? Open, insert... Sex! Sex! Sex!

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she did spam

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if she types "sex makes babies" I will give this 11/10
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she did spam

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if she types "sex makes babies" I will give this 11/10


Try to keep it on topic Kami, your other post had to be taken out because it basically had nothing to do with the show. If you want to say "the show is crazy but in a good way" just say that.

Also people in general, can we tone down the language a little? It is okay to drop an F bomb etc here and there just try to do it in moderation.
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What do you think about similar shounen in general? Like Code Geass, Guilty Crown, etc.

Considering my undying hatred for Code Geass I won't fault anyone for simply not liking a show, but I'm curious whether something about this one in particular sets it apart in your eyes, or if you expected it to be an exception.


Well my friend, that's a loaded question haha (In advance I AM SO SORRY FOR TYPING A LONG ANSWER!)
I would say shounen serves a purpose. I mean they are no longer my thing for the most part but I can see why people could like them. And at times I'll watch them with my head turned off for some enjoyment as that's how i think they should be watched.

I mean if someone gets joy out of this show, hey more power to them. It's better than not getting joy out of it. I mean maybe if I was 14 (not meaning to insult 14 yr olds) I might have gotten some joy out of it.

To your question if anything sets this apart, I assume maybe you are referring to why I might have gripes with this maybe and not other shounen or possibly other mecha anime. If that is not what you meant just let me know. But if that is what you were asking, I would say maybe 2 things set it apart. For the first one I would say possibly what separates this is its believability. I am turning my mind off when i watch this, but some shows border so much on unbelievability that without proper context, its hard for even my turned off brain to accept it. I mean Code Geass, Lelouch stays in school for the sake of keeping cover and not to risk the life of his sister. All the while he is targeting isolated subjects to wage his war and as a result we don't see him waging an all out campaign. I don't think valvrave does this. It isn't Bobobobobo, it's going for some sense of reality. For me, taking powerful robots and then using them to make your high school an independent country against a super power is throwing it very out there. Now that may not necessarily be a deal breaker in me hating it. If they had mainly stuck to idk a protagonist wanting to get stronger to protect his friends and the villians were very cheesy confident to beat him. I could at least say that its believable in the sense that its just goofy fun action. This leads me into part 2 of why I have gripes with it. The show is trying to be something that it isn't, and when it does, it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. I can tell this show tries to get deep at times like when some of the students die or when ARUS tries to leave them behind because the political gains are no longer worth it. When I watch those moments, I can't help but feel like turning on my brain because they are serious in nature. I then start to build higher standards for the show. They have something, but when they go from that to high school antics and cheap cliche lines from characters, it knocks me out of the experience. That to me is frustrating. I question then if I am the right target audience. Am I supposed to be watching this just for the mech fighting, is it about serious tones of war and death, or am i just supposed to expect a lot high school melodrama. I feel like the anime is trying to cram it all in together and makes something that doesn't click. To me it comes off arrogant while at the same time pandering to different audiences. As a result, I don't feel like the show was made for the love of making a shounen or a melodrama, but for the sake of finding different things everyone likes and then putting it together believing it will sell money. I guess in the nut shull, it all makes the show feel like it has no soul.
My friend I am so sorry about making you read all that (if you read all that) but I wasn't sure how to make it shorter. Anyways thanks for reading bro, you sir are a trooper! Haha

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botogamer wrote:

What do you think about similar shounen in general? Like Code Geass, Guilty Crown, etc.

Considering my undying hatred for Code Geass I won't fault anyone for simply not liking a show, but I'm curious whether something about this one in particular sets it apart in your eyes, or if you expected it to be an exception.

Well my friend, that's a loaded question haha (In advance I AM SO SORRY FOR TYPING A LONG ANSWER!)
I would say shounen serves a purpose. I mean they are no longer my thing for the most part but I can see why people could like them. And at times I'll watch them with my head turned off for some enjoyment as that's how i think they should be watched.

I mean if someone gets joy out of this show, hey more power to them. It's better than not getting joy out of it. I mean maybe if I was 14 (not meaning to insult 14 yr olds) I might have gotten some joy out of it.

To your question if anything sets this apart, I assume maybe you are referring to why I might have gripes with this maybe and not other shounen or possibly other mecha anime. If that is not what you meant just let me know. But if that is what you were asking, I would say maybe 2 things set it apart. For the first one I would say possibly what separates this is its believability. I am turning my mind off when i watch this, but some shows border so much on unbelievability that without proper context, its hard for even my turned off brain to accept it. I mean Code Geass, Lelouch stays in school for the sake of keeping cover and not to risk the life of his sister. All the while he is targeting isolated subjects to wage his war and as a result we don't see him waging an all out campaign. I don't think valvrave does this. It isn't Bobobobobo, it's going for some sense of reality. For me, taking powerful robots and then using them to make your high school an independent country against a super power is throwing it very out there. Now that may not necessarily be a deal breaker in me hating it. If they had mainly stuck to idk a protagonist wanting to get stronger to protect his friends and the villians were very cheesy confident to beat him. I could at least say that its believable in the sense that its just goofy fun action. This leads me into part 2 of why I have gripes with it. The show is trying to be something that it isn't, and when it does, it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. I can tell this show tries to get deep at times like when some of the students die or when ARUS tries to leave them behind because the political gains are no longer worth it. When I watch those moments, I can't help but feel like turning on my brain because they are serious in nature. I then start to build higher standards for the show. They have something, but when they go from that to high school antics and cheap cliche lines from characters, it knocks me out of the experience. That to me is frustrating. I question then if I am the right target audience. Am I supposed to be watching this just for the mech fighting, is it about serious tones of war and death, or am i just supposed to expect a lot high school melodrama. I feel like the anime is trying to cram it all in together and makes something that doesn't click. To me it comes off arrogant while at the same time pandering to different audiences. As a result, I don't feel like the show was made for the love of making a shounen or a melodrama, but for the sake of finding different things everyone likes and then putting it together believing it will sell money. I guess in the nut shull, it all makes the show feel like it has no soul.
My friend I am so sorry about making you read all that (if you read all that) but I wasn't sure how to make it shorter. Anyways thanks for reading bro, you sir are a trooper! Haha



I read the stuff in red first... and then I read your whole post... it has been a long time since I fully read something. I quite enjoyed, thank you good person.

I think people should try to view it as a whole now as: a military experiment gone wrong, and teenagers being teenagers trying to develop a country. This country building to a teenager is the best possible solution.

If one continues looking at this anime through the perspective of the characters (you should most of the time) you would get the feeling of satisfaction. Satisfaction that as a teenager this is the best possible solution we came up with and to possibly execute.

There are very good scenes where the students are scared silly and do not know what to do, I honestly think this is the key to enjoying this anime. I might have been too harsh of a judge like prior episode 7, 5, 2... but I speak for myself as an individual and not so much as a collective unlike this post.
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1. The festival is to take place once they reach the moon, which is neutral territory (although we've seen how [un]safe that can be). Don't underestimate the need for stress relief during time of war, especially during those rare opportunities to take advantage of it. Securing food doesn't seem to be much of a problem. After all, they are on what was apparently a self-sufficient colony module made for a far larger population.

2. Since we've seen no uncontrollable urges from the other Valvrave pilots, it seems to be unique to the AI-equipped model, and directly tied to it (i.e, "I'm hungry", and "SEX....SEX....SEX..."). I suspect it was the original, and along with its greater capability, it has some drawbacks. The remaining units eliminated the drawbacks, as the expense of that extra power. It may have been that unit 1 was never intended to be put into normal operation.



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1. I understand what you are saying. I mean I considered that it is all for the sake of stress relief. But at the same time, we aren't really talking about a full fledged military. It's a few thousand at most kids confronting a super power. Realistically they should be seriously undermanned and exhausted beyond belief to contend with that kind of challenge. Even when General Patton had his troops supplied and everything to keep them going, nobody dared to throw a festival for the sake of relief in war time. Maybe they would do a soccer game, or a party, but a festival takes a lot of man power and planning (especially considering all the things these kids want to do in it). I just don't ever recall any war where a military devoted such time and resources for one relief event, especially on the front lines because that is technically where they are.

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2. You're explanation of that is fine. I was more questioning the reasoning behind the writers' decision to use rape in informing us of the capabilities behind the unknown power. We already know he is scared of what he is becoming. He is already emo about it. So at that point I asked myself what good did it do to the plot or anything to have included that scene? I doubt they are going to have him raping more women. It just felt like they threw it in there for the shock value and the sex (in my humble opinion). And that is without me stating the displeasure that the show gave me as it depicted rape in such a cheap manner. Even if he is the boy she likes, it feels really disingenuous to have her get raped, he wakes up, and she just starts talking about the freaking elections as if she was totally unphased by it. I think it might have been downright offensive to me.

but yeah, this was just one example for me. I just feel the show is needlessly frustrating me and pulling stuff out of its butt for no real good reason. But if you're enjoying, thats cool. The show I guess just really isn't for me.
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im pretty sure by him doing that stuff its going to let the ai system reproduce more valvraves
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What???? Haruto asked Saki to marry him? (Poor Shoko, if she confesses to Haruto and he tells her he is marrying Saki...talk about devastation). Did not see that coming at all. The timid boy is becoming a man. On a side note, I wonder how long it takes Haruto's Valvrave to cool off compared to the others since his reactivates at 666. Now, the question is, will L-elf tell Shoko to keep it a secret from Haruto that he killed her father and how will Shoko handle it when she next sees him? (if they can make it out of the mess they're in right before the episode ends.) Also, looked like for a moment there L-elf was going to shoot Shoko.
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Yeah, but... the way things are going, isn't that just a little too predictable? I mean, I expected Haruto to be doing his best Shinji Ikari impression this episode after the rape, but he went the opposite direction of all possible things.

I'm getting to the point where if something is obviously going to happen, it's actually the least likely thing to happen.


You and I were thinking the same thing considering how weak and feeble minded Haruto was during the first episode up until now, I thought he would run away or go worse and turn unto Shinji, but Haruto finally has a grown a pair so far.
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she did spam

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if she types "sex makes babies" I will give this 11/10


Kami, where is your collection of screen caps? I think your due for a new one with Saki being the winner again right?
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1. The teacher/Valvrave researcher says that all the students there were unknowingly chosen for the Valvrave project, trained and taught by military personnel disguised as teachers for the sake of piloting these mechs as an offensive force. Unconsciously and to an extent, these students are as much of an army as the Dorssians. At the same time, they're still kids in high school. They're still under pressure from running an independent colony and fending off the enemy. A well built machine is worthless if there is nobody able to operate it because they're mentally exhausted. A festival in neutral territory is probably the only place they have to release all their pent up stress.

2. Whether or not that scene could have been done more...in good taste is up for debate. What I think was supposed to be conveyed is that Haruto got the short end of the Valvrave. He got the full brunt of the "curse", having to deal with an AI consciousness that can take over his body at any time. Saki seems to understand this a little, that those who choose to be pilots have to deal with these effects on their body, ie immortality though I don't think she knows yet that only Haruto is affected by the AI. But she does understand a little of what Haruto is going through and whether its because she is truly in love with him or that she sympathizes with him is why she allowed what happened to happen.

I don't know if what I wrote even made any sense or if I'm just rambling about something way out there but this is how I view what you said.
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AnimeKami wrote:

she did spam

HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

edit:

if she types "sex makes babies" I will give this 11/10


Kami, where is your collection of screen caps? I think your due for a new one with Saki being the winner again right?


I might make one later... need to come up with a script.
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