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Posted 6/25/13 , edited 6/25/13
What if the future evil empire shown during the 200-year time skip is created by Shoko?

The Cow Space Reich.

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That cow mech was weird; it made me think of all the strange gunmen from Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.
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SPOILERS FOR EPISODE 12!! (Its on Japanese)
Its likely to be fake though



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Looks legit to me!
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Cant wait for thursday, see how things'll go. I really hope that:



Edit, taken from a youtube comment

'I hope thunder goes crazy like haruto but shouts THUNDER DICK during it'.

For some reason, I found this far too funny

also

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This show is a lot of things but predictable is NOT one of them! LOL
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hpulley wrote:

This show is a lot of things but predictable is NOT one of them! LOL


The "rape" was certainly unpredictable. Does it even count as "rape" I mean she even wanted it..
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maffayoo wrote:


hpulley wrote:

This show is a lot of things but predictable is NOT one of them! LOL


The "rape" was certainly unpredictable. Does it even count as "rape" I mean she even wanted it..


I'm not so sure that she wanted it just once it started she in some way atleast rationalized it to herself. I mean, just look at her body language and expressions after it, pretty degected for someone who 'wanted' it?I think she knew it wasnt haruto but just found herself accepting it because someone was showing some form of interest in her, even if it wasnt quite what you might hope for. Its seemingly worked out now though, so provided bloody shoko doesnt mess things up
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I bolded the most important part, THE MOST IMPORTANT PART
Fake rumor or not, this better freakin happen
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mipegg wrote:


maffayoo wrote:


hpulley wrote:

This show is a lot of things but predictable is NOT one of them! LOL


The "rape" was certainly unpredictable. Does it even count as "rape" I mean she even wanted it..


I'm not so sure that she wanted it just once it started she in some way atleast rationalized it to herself. I mean, just look at her body language and expressions after it, pretty degected for someone who 'wanted' it?I think she knew it wasnt haruto but just found herself accepting it because someone was showing some form of interest in her, even if it wasnt quite what you might hope for. Its seemingly worked out now though, so provided bloody shoko doesnt mess things up



After she wasn't letting him talk about it like she didn't mind overall :/

Ugh I dunno >.< to much to think about it wasn't him but it kind of was him but wasn't ughghghgh.
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Posted 6/25/13 , edited 6/25/13

maffayoo wrote:


hpulley wrote:

This show is a lot of things but predictable is NOT one of them! LOL


The "rape" was certainly unpredictable. Does it even count as "rape" I mean she even wanted it..


You cannot give consent under duress. Saki was under duress. Haruto was physically coming on to her but she was also under mental duress because Haruto was messed-up and Saki probably thought that was the only way to help him. It was rape because rape isn't just about "did she say no?" but also "COULD she say no?". It didn't look to me that Saki really could say no given the circumstance knowing as she knew that Haruto's attacks were increasing in frequency and he clearly was having a more violent episode then he had previously. She cares about Haruto and so she didn't fight back. But it does not mean she wanted it or rather I should say that I am sure Saki wanted Haruto and her to become lovers but I am sure Saki did not want Haruto to hold her down, tear off her cloths and violate her when he was out of his mind.

I really don't see why anyone anywhere thinks it was not rape. I am sorry but no, just no. That stupid saying "it's not rape if you want it" is just too simplistic. You might like a guy and might want to go out with said guy or just have a "no strings attached" relationship with said guy but if said guy suddenly jumped you, pinned you to the ground and basically started treating you like a piece of meat with a hole in it (which is exactly what Haruto was doing to Saki) its still rape.


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After she wasn't letting him talk about it like she didn't mind overall :/

Ugh I dunno >.< to much to think about it wasn't him but it kind of was him but wasn't ughghghgh.


That's something completely different. People deal with their rapes differently. Saki choose not to let Haruto, who she probably thought couldn't help himself, refuse to apologize for something he couldn't control. I mean, that's what those episodes are, Haruto losing control. Saki choosing not to hold it against Haruto doesn't mean the act itself was not rape. It was, Saki is just handling it in a certain manner that makes sense to her.
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And allow this conversation to end here. You are pretty much correct first paragraph sums it up good job sir.
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tinnic wrote:

I really don't see why anyone anywhere thinks it was not rape. I am sorry but no, just no. That stupid saying "it's not rape if you want it" is just too simplistic. You might like a guy and might want to go out with said guy or just have a "no strings attached" relationship with said guy but if said guy suddenly jumped you, pinned you to the ground and basically started treating you like a piece of meat with a hole in it (which is exactly what Haruto was doing to Saki) its still rape.


I agree 100%. And how the aftermath has been handled... well, let's just say that I'm very close to dropping this show.
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What if the future evil empire shown during the 200-year time skip is created by Shoko?

The Cow Space Reich.



How did I not see this??

Shoko for Vampire Evil Empress of the Universe
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Unexpected intercourse, leads to unexpected marriage proposals.
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