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Highschool Age Characters = Japan's Hope for the Future?
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It's the target demographic guys... this isn't rocket surgery. I'm really loving Space Brothers. It has become one of my favorite anime.

I'm often concerned with the trash kids in Japan and America get fed these days. I grew up with some fantastic animation that still hold their appeal even past my high-school years.

Black Lagoon
Berserk
Vampire Hunter D
Justice League
Batman the Animated Series
Avatar the last Air Bender
Fooly Cooly
Ghost In the Shell..
Serial Experiment Lane


I see what a lot of kids watch and enjoy on crunchyroll and I can't help but feel horified...Naruto, One Piece, Elfen Lied, Fairy Tail, Bleach...SOA, Guilty Crown..Devil Survivor... I mean talk about wrapping a shit in gold tinseling and calling it chocolate.


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_IceAndCream_ wrote:

......I think you're overthinking.

But if what you're saying is true, they're also grooming their kids to be lolicons and various other types of perverts.


I would argue that shows featuring lolicons and more perverse..per..ver..sion? Don't have the audience that shows like Bleach do.


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No one's really here for a 50 year old slaying monsters
nor a 30 year old single woman who wants to find love.





I could totally get behind a show featuring old men slaying monsters if they were based off of Japanese mythos. Susano-no-wo, anybody? Excluding Susano in Okami.


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that target demographic yo

and to me, I think Devil Survivor 2 implies more that Hibiki is doing it for his friends rather than for the sake of the world


Not an expert or anything, and not wanting to turn this into a Devil Survivor 2 discussion, I think after the most recent episode we see Hibiki taking a certain amount of responsibility for his city at least when he feels compelled to save the people in that shelter. His friends weren't close by to directly influence that decision.


Ah, this thread made me realize there were a lot of shows I forgot about. I still think the 'hero' age range is pretty even - if not leaning more on the side of adolescents.

Now I'm not a marketing major, but if that were the case wouldn't they also try to make the shows more relatable? (SP? o_O) I'm pretty sure it might be kind of hard for a high schooler/middle schooler to wrap their mind around saving the world. Their main concern is how to get Tanaka-san how to like them, or why Ito-san is so mean. Or how they are going to get into their target college.

I mean, don't get me wrong. I totally think there IS a marketing aspect to it. What is entertaining, what gets more ratings. However the bottom line is compared to 20 years ago when Japan's issues were less on the radar (hell, maybe even 10 years ago? pre-economic collapse?) adolescent characters were faced with less responsibilities. We DID have characters like D, Guts, etc that were in the 30 year old age range taking the lead.

Sorry if my debate skills are failing.. I just woke up and haven't had coffee or breakfast yet.
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It's the target demographic guys... this isn't rocket surgery. I'm really loving Space Brothers. It has become one of my favorite anime.

I'm often concerned with the trash kids in Japan and America get fed these days. I grew up with some fantastic animation that still hold their appeal even past my high-school years.

Black Lagoon
Berserk
Vampire Hunter D
Justice League
Batman the Animated Series
Avatar the last Air Bender
Fooly Cooly
Ghost In the Shell..
Serial Experiment Lane


I see what a lot of kids watch and enjoy on crunchyroll and I can't help but feel horified...Naruto, One Piece, Elfen Lied, Fairy Tail, Bleach...SOA, Guilty Crown..Devil Survivor... I mean talk about wrapping a shit in gold tinseling and calling it chocolate.





Space Brothers IS great. I haven't kept up with it though. :<

I can totally see what you're saying on the subject of Beserk, Vampie Hunter D, etc, etc. But I really feel like Justice League, Avatar, and Fooly Cooly are really on the same par as Bleach and other Shounen Jump shows. All of them are teaching the same core values which is why I don't hold shows like One Piece in incredibly high esteem but still respect them. Shounen Jump style shows teach excellent values like the importance of friendship, etc. I wouldn't mind seeing more of that in other shows.

And..less tournament style battles. Although they are cool to watch.
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Get a kid hooked on anime in their teens and they'll probably continue to have some interest in it through to adult hood, simple marketing is all
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Ama_no_Kagaseo wrote:

I can totally see what you're saying on the subject of Beserk, Vampie Hunter D, etc, etc. But I really feel like Justice League, Avatar, and Fooly Cooly are really on the same par as Bleach and other Shounen Jump shows. All of them are teaching the same core values which is why I don't hold shows like One Piece in incredibly high esteem but still respect them. Shounen Jump style shows teach excellent values like the importance of friendship, etc. I wouldn't mind seeing more of that in other shows.

And..less tournament style battles. Although they are cool to watch.


We're going to have to disagree. I enjoyed Season 1 of Bleach it had potential like Death Note did its first season. However, with many Shounen Jump they draw you into the story and by the second season they begin to recycle themes and the writing as well as the plot suffers. Death Note ended with the death of L.
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Ama_no_Kagaseo wrote:

I can totally see what you're saying on the subject of Beserk, Vampie Hunter D, etc, etc. But I really feel like Justice League, Avatar, and Fooly Cooly are really on the same par as Bleach and other Shounen Jump shows. All of them are teaching the same core values which is why I don't hold shows like One Piece in incredibly high esteem but still respect them. Shounen Jump style shows teach excellent values like the importance of friendship, etc. I wouldn't mind seeing more of that in other shows.

And..less tournament style battles. Although they are cool to watch.


We're going to have to disagree. I enjoyed Season 1 of Bleach it had potential like Death Note did its first season. However, with many Shounen Jump they draw you into the story and by the second season they begin to recycle themes and the writing as well as the plot suffers. Death Note ended with the death of L.


I think that is just the doom of any long running series. Even Dragon Ball got old after some time. I found it to be still enjoyable as long as I accepted it as what it was: A Jump series. Same with Death Note.. Although I actually did legitimately lose interest in that one.
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Ama_no_Kagaseo wrote:

I think that is just the doom of any long running series. Even Dragon Ball got old after some time. I found it to be still enjoyable as long as I accepted it as what it was: A Jump series. Same with Death Note.. Although I actually did legitimately lose interest in that one.


Dragon Ball is not Dragon Ball Z. Dragon Ball was a fantastic series for youth. Dragon Ball Z was the Anime sequel to Dragon Ball the manga and animation.

Batman the Animates series as well as Justice League never lost viewer interest. In fact with each season viewership increased. It was the FCC that killed these series. I think that's VERY common In the states. Most animations don't see a long enough running to run out of ideas.
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Isn't this counter productive though?

I've seen various reports about the sexual activity of Japanese teens and young adults and they would rather watch these anime and marry their 3DS characters than have a proper relationship.

Personally I try to avoid anime focusing on children, as I'm not a child myself, I care very little for fanservice and watch purely for the story and action.

Series like Berserk, Attack on Titan, a lot of the old movies like Akira etc.

I genuinely think that all of these perverted and fanservice anime focusing on school children is sick and wrong in so many ways.

One of the main reasons for this as well is all of the characters are impossible to relate to, they have personalities which don't exist in the real world, and people assume the fantasy would translate to real life, hence being incredibly socially awkward and assuming every girl/woman wants to be treated the same as portrayed.
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Isn't this counter productive though?

I've seen various reports about the sexual activity of Japanese teens and young adults and they would rather watch these anime and marry their 3DS characters than have a proper relationship.

Personally I try to avoid anime focusing on children, as I'm not a child myself, I care very little for fanservice and watch purely for the story and action.

Series like Berserk, Attack on Titan, a lot of the old movies like Akira etc.

I genuinely think that all of these perverted and fanservice anime focusing on school children is sick and wrong in so many ways.

One of the main reasons for this as well is all of the characters are impossible to relate to, they have personalities which don't exist in the real world, and people assume the fantasy would translate to real life, hence being incredibly socially awkward and assuming every girl/woman wants to be treated the same as portrayed.


You know, for someone into black metal and I'm assuming death metal you hold some pretty conservative views I can get behind. I agree with you completely. :P

Is Anime getting worse or are we just getting old and jaded? both?
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spacebat wrote:

Dragon Ball is not Dragon Ball Z. Dragon Ball was a fantastic series for youth. Dragon Ball Z was the Anime sequel to Dragon Ball the manga and animation.

Batman the Animates series as well as Justice League never lost viewer interest. In fact with each season viewership increased. It was the FCC that killed these series. I think that's VERY common In the states. Most animations don't see a long enough running to run out of ideas. :P


Z and GT are sequels, yes. However I don't know if the over all message changed that much over the years. Admittedly, I am much more of a fan of the original show rather than Z/GT. I haven't even really seen more than a few episodes here or there.

I do believe comparing Japan and America is a little like comparing apples to oranges, especially in the realm of media. So I am not sure if we could realistically argue the life span of Justice League or Batman one way or the other to help it make sense in the Japanese media world.

..Yep, still haven't eaten or had coffee. Blood sugar is tanking.[/excuseforpoordebateskills]


DirEnGay wrote:

Isn't this counter productive though?

I've seen various reports about the sexual activity of Japanese teens and young adults and they would rather watch these anime and marry their 3DS characters than have a proper relationship.

Personally I try to avoid anime focusing on children, as I'm not a child myself, I care very little for fanservice and watch purely for the story and action.

Series like Berserk, Attack on Titan, a lot of the old movies like Akira etc.

I genuinely think that all of these perverted and fanservice anime focusing on school children is sick and wrong in so many ways.

One of the main reasons for this as well is all of the characters are impossible to relate to, they have personalities which don't exist in the real world, and people assume the fantasy would translate to real life, hence being incredibly socially awkward and assuming every girl/woman wants to be treated the same as portrayed.


I think the reason for all the reports of NEETs, and hikikomori has less to do with anime and video games and more with the mental health in Japan in general. I think we could view these social rejects on par with our school shooters to some degree. It is just people coping with society using extreme methods because the building blocks to bring someone back to reality don't exist.

I also steer away from shows with fanservice though. I typically lose all interest at the sight of one pantie shot.
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Which is why a dose of realism in these shows wouldn't hurt. People need to know that it's not socially okay to be a pervert. Perverts are grotesque people and I just can't wrap my head around how these companies full of mature adults can sit writing storyboards and drawing pictures of adolescent teens naked or constantly in their underwear being leered at or groped, with typical subjects such as insest and clear sexual harassment. How does their society consider this okay?

I've seen many brutal films and things in my life, murder, rape, bullying (physical and mental), sexual harassment, and the recurring theme in all of the things I've seen which have clear 18+ age tags is that this is serious and not to be encouraged, copied or viewed in a positive light, and definitely not to be put on TV at a 6pm time slot.
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Ama_no_Kagaseo wrote:



I do believe comparing Japan and America is a little like comparing apples to oranges, especially in the realm of media. So I am not sure if we could realistically argue the life span of Justice League or Batman one way or the other to help it make sense in the Japanese media world.



I've never understood that phrase "like comparing apples to oranges" of course you can compare apples to oranges...

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Which is why a dose of realism in these shows wouldn't hurt. People need to know that it's not socially okay to be a pervert. Perverts are grotesque people and I just can't wrap my head around how these companies full of mature adults can sit writing storyboards and drawing pictures of adolescent teens naked or constantly in their underwear being leered at or groped, with typical subjects such as insest and clear sexual harassment. How does their society consider this okay?

I've seen many brutal films and things in my life, murder, rape, bullying (physical and mental), sexual harassment, and the recurring theme in all of the things I've seen which have clear 18+ age tags is that this is serious and not to be encouraged, copied or viewed in a positive light, and definitely not to be put on TV at a 6pm time slot.


I particularly dislike animations that attempt to get the viewer to sympathize with a protagonist that is a murderer, rapist or obvious psychopath.
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Golden Boy is around 30.

Dark Schnieder or Darsha is over 600

Berserk Guts, is around 30 or older 20s

GTO sorry forgot his name, but also 30+

'Yes most best and bad ass characters are all around my age.. and you know it!



eightcar wrote:

Or just maybe the older generation wishes to be young an idealistic, and likes these animes!


wow did not think I see someone who lives close to me.


Eikichi Onizuka is 22 years old and not anywhere near thirty! I know cause hes the same age as me

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Ama_no_Kagaseo wrote:

So I had a random thought while watching Devil Survivor 2 the other day.

First, I'm going to apologize ahead of time. I'm tired and not exactly thinking as clearly or as coherently as I would like to.

As we all know most anime characters are in their teens, with characters rarely aging past their 20's. In these shows the characters are typically tasked with saving the world/government/society/etc (excluding strictly slice of life and romance themed shows) and I can't help but think this may be Japan expressing the hopes and dreams they have for the younger generation?

With Japan facing economic failure, a struggling government (with a different prime minister for every year for the last 7 years) and falling birth rates the older generation looks more and more to the young'uns to save the day. I can't help but feel that they are either subconsciously or consciously saying: "Look kids! Ichigo is in highschool and is saving the world!" or "Hibiki is just a kid but he recognizes his responsibility to protect his city and country."

It's really like they're grooming their kids to be the country's saviors via cartoons and comics.

OR MAYBE I'M JUST REALLY TIRED HUHEHEHUEHUEHUEHEUEHEH



Two words: 'Target Audience'

the main characters are the age of the people the anime is being sold to, nothing more, nothing less.

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