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chao_sweetie wrote:

And I have just watched episode 2.. come on CR get on it.. I am not paying you to slack off with the anime.


Not out on Funimation yet either... sigh. Still hate that they don't realize how fast the fansubbers are. I know they are worried about Crunchy or Funimation being BACK ripped and sent to Japan stations that haven't seen it yet but they must realize that people who can't see it yet are going to see it from the first broadcasts same as people do here. Usually Japan moves very fast with technological advances but with some things they seem to be holding back...
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TheCoffeeGod wrote:

As an aside, somewhere along the line between this season and last season, I've lost the ability to preview my posts in the forum.

I use Chrome and haven't had that problem, but I just happened to see someone else report this on the Help/Support forum. If you are using IE, this might be a solution for you.

Answer is courtesy of beardfist:


It is a bug with IE. Hit F12 and change the document mode to IE9 Standards and it should work fine.

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So the first two episodes are supposed to be up some time today, but they still haven't announced when? Given that this was such an anticipated series, I'm guessing the studio were asking a ridiculous amount for the license, and negotiations took a long time. I wouldn't be surprised if CR have only had the masters for the opening episodes for a matter of hours and are frantically translating them now.


Was hoping for a time to, though it does say sometime this afternoon. Hopefully earlier rather than later.
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Daigohji99 wrote:

So the first two episodes are supposed to be up some time today, but they still haven't announced when? Given that this was such an anticipated series, I'm guessing the studio were asking a ridiculous amount for the license, and negotiations took a long time. I wouldn't be surprised if CR have only had the masters for the opening episodes for a matter of hours and are frantically translating them now.


Was hoping for a time to, though it does say sometime this afternoon. Hopefully earlier rather than later.


But Funimation has already shown episode 1 with subs so it is subbed already, unless Crunchyroll are subbing them AGAIN... I don't see why there would be a delay on episode 1 at least.
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hpulley wrote:


chao_sweetie wrote:

And I have just watched episode 2.. come on CR get on it.. I am not paying you to slack off with the anime.


Not out on Funimation yet either... sigh. Still hate that they don't realize how fast the fansubbers are. I know they are worried about Crunchy or Funimation being BACK ripped and sent to Japan stations that haven't seen it yet but they must realize that people who can't see it yet are going to see it from the first broadcasts same as people do here. Usually Japan moves very fast with technological advances but with some things they seem to be holding back...


Wow, the anime community has seriously become spoiled. This stimulcast thing is fairly new, as far as I know, it's only come into existence over the last 4 or 5 years maybe. You need to be patient, you should be glad enough you got it, not pissed off at them for getting it and not being faster than the illegal streams.
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Daigohji99 wrote: So the first two episodes are supposed to be up some time today, but they still haven't announced when? Given that this was such an anticipated series, I'm guessing the studio were asking a ridiculous amount for the license, and negotiations took a long time. I wouldn't be surprised if CR have only had the masters for the opening episodes for a matter of hours and are frantically translating them now.

I like how you pass by an actually publicly known challenge to invent one from thin air. This is the first time that Crunchyroll has a streaming license that is shared with a Funimation SVOD license. While we do not know the exact supply chain for the materials, including whether the licensor of Funimation is doing the subtitling, the fact that this is the first time they are in this particular relationship is ample reason why they might have some final details to nail down.


hpulley wrote: But Funimation has already shown episode 1 with subs so it is subbed already, unless Crunchyroll are subbing them AGAIN... I don't see why there would be a delay on episode 1 at least.

There's still the materials delivery pipeline. Its not like Crunchyroll is going to use one of Funimation's murky, color distorted encodes, after all: Crunchyroll does have to get source material from someone and encode the video, even if someone else is doing the subtitling.
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A title that is being simulcast by Funimation is going to be avalible for UK viewing?! What kind of witchcraft is this?
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Wow, the anime community has seriously become spoiled. This stimulcast thing is fairly new, as far as I know, it's only come into existence over the last 4 or 5 years maybe. You need to be patient, you should be glad enough you got it, not pissed off at them for getting it and not being faster than the illegal streams.

Spoiled? Maybe. Just amazed that a bunch of guys working for free(?) can bring something out faster than official sources who didn't have to wait for the first broadcast rips to get started. I don't like fansubs. I don't watch illegally, at all, of anything, downloads or streams or anything. I am, however, impressed at their dedication and organization skills.

I'm a big anime fan from the bad old days of waiting years for anime to come out on VHS if you were lucky enough to get it at all. So I know how to be patient, I just don't like to be patient when I know in this day and age that it could be available to me right now.

It should be available an hour after it shows first in Japan if they want to maximize the number of legal views shows will get. Or a week later if they want to maximize the number of illegal downloads...

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hpulley wrote: But Funimation has already shown episode 1 with subs so it is subbed already, unless Crunchyroll are subbing them AGAIN... I don't see why there would be a delay on episode 1 at least.

There's still the materials delivery pipeline. Its not like Crunchyroll is going to use one of Funimation's murky, color distorted encodes, after all: Crunchyroll does have to get source material from someone and encode the video, even if someone else is doing the subtitling.

I sure hope you're right! I look forward to comparing the two video streams. I am hoping that Red Data Girl just looks bad because of Funimation's encoding... because I was going to import it but not if it looks like that!!!
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Is there a way to contribute more? I would really like to convince your competitors and those you negotiate with, that the Crunchyroll model is the one to be supported and emulated.

That's why you get all the money I spend on my legal anime watching.
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I feel like I am wasting money.. when I can get it free and faster somewhere else
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Davidvauhn wrote: Wow, the anime community has seriously become spoiled. This stimulcast thing is fairly new, as far as I know, it's only come into existence over the last 4 or 5 years maybe. You need to be patient, you should be glad enough you got it, not pissed off at them for getting it and not being faster than the illegal streams.



hpulley wrote: Spoiled? Maybe. Just amazed that a bunch of guys working for free(?) can bring something out faster than official sources who didn't have to wait for the first broadcast rips to get started.


I'd translate that into, "bootleg sub release groups who don't have to wait for license owner sign offs or approvals, who do not have to wait for official source materials to be transmitted, who do not have to comply with (silly) demands from the broadcast pool not to preempt some secondary broadcaster, and who can put up the file in their preferred file format and let downloaders worry about whether they can make use of it, can often make material available faster than official sources who have to comply with contractual obligations."

... and so I don't actually see anything amazing going on. We know that when Crunchyroll actually doesn't have to wait for anything to get started, that they get their simulcast up an hour after Japanese broadcast premier, and could put it up in sync with Japanese broadcast premier if they were allowed to.


chao_sweetie wrote: I found Ep 1 and 2 on fansubbed site.. {bootleg source name omitted}. They have a lot of shows before CR had it.

I feel like I am wasting money.. when I can get it free and faster somewhere else

It depends on what you are paying for. If you are paying for speed, the sites that trample the rights of the original creator can often get things up faster. If you are paying for a combination of convenience and quality, obviously Crunchyroll is more convenient than the high quality bootleg sources and normally higher quality than the most convenient bootleg sources. If you are paying the original creators of the work that you are enjoying, no bootleg source offers that at all.

You decide what you are paying for and make your choices, like anything else in life.

BTW, there's no need to advertise bootleg sources in the Crunchyroll forums. Its one thing if you want to use bootleg sources, but most people know that they exist and are only a google away. If the Crunchyroll forums were to get a reputation in Japan as a place where people find out where to go to get bootlegs, that could cost Crunchyroll licenses and spoil things for people who would rather watch their anime at a legit site.
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I'd translate that into, "bootleg sub release groups who don't have to wait for license owner sign offs or approvals, who do not have to wait for official source materials to be transmitted, who do not have to comply with (silly) demands from the broadcast pool not to preempt some secondary broadcaster, and who can put up the file in their preferred file format and let downloaders worry about whether they can make use of it, can often make material available faster than official sources who have to comply with contractual obligations."

... and so I don't actually see anything amazing going on. We know that when Crunchyroll actually doesn't have to wait for anything to get started, that they get their simulcast up an hour after Japanese broadcast premier, and could put it up in sync with Japanese broadcast premier if they were allowed to.


I know. You're right, you're absolutely right. It just sucks that as always, nice guys finish last. Doing it the right way is the hardest way. Shoganai, den ga na man ga na...
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hpulley wrote: I know. You're right, you're absolutely right. It just sucks that as always, nice guys finish last. Doing it the right way is the hardest way. Shoganai, den ga na man ga na...

Things are getting better ~ there are more series on Crunchyroll, and fewer "week delay while somebody else streams it first" streams. Its frustrating that things move so slow, but if we step back and compare to just two years ago, there has been progress made.

I imagine that Crunchyroll includes a top-up to their MG offer for a true premier simulcast within an hour of premier broadcast. Hopefully as the subscriber base continues to grow, it'll get to the point where the top-up is too tempting to refuse.
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hpulley wrote:


agila61 wrote:

I'd translate that into, "bootleg sub release groups who don't have to wait for license owner sign offs or approvals, who do not have to wait for official source materials to be transmitted, who do not have to comply with (silly) demands from the broadcast pool not to preempt some secondary broadcaster, and who can put up the file in their preferred file format and let downloaders worry about whether they can make use of it, can often make material available faster than official sources who have to comply with contractual obligations."

... and so I don't actually see anything amazing going on. We know that when Crunchyroll actually doesn't have to wait for anything to get started, that they get their simulcast up an hour after Japanese broadcast premier, and could put it up in sync with Japanese broadcast premier if they were allowed to.


I know. You're right, you're absolutely right. It just sucks that as always, nice guys finish last. Doing it the right way is the hardest way. Shoganai, den ga na man ga na...


you complain about not having a time release, that subs are already out, while in Latin America and other places we won't even get the show... wow
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I'm sure CR is doing their best to get this title out as quickly as they can. This is also a first time for a shared stream between Funi and CR and who knows how it's all setup behind the scenes and what legal obligations are tying down each company.

But to those who are actually complaining openly... you aren't the only paying subscribers around here. I know I've complained in the past, and I still do somewhat moan and groan about week late shows, but this one is a whole whopping day behind, you could just be, I dunno, patient?

CR and Funi also could pull a real dick move here and decide that cause people are whining about this that they can go back to the good old days of spamming DMCA notices, or even pull out Funi's old trick of suing people. So while these companies realize it's a crappy move on their part to do that, it doesn't put all the power in the hands of the consumer, because while CR and Funi do at least sorta understand the North American market, the Japanese are actually sending cops to peoples houses to arrest them for illegal downloading and uploading. I would imagine even if all the loudmouths statements made it to Japan their response wouldn't be "Oh no, the Americans want their anime faster? They are going to download fansubs instead?! Quick we must serve these grateful humble people." Their answer would most likely be to tell Funimation to sue the shit out of anyone who downloads, uploads, or even looks at a fansub... like they did with One Piece already.

In other words, it could be worse, a hell of a lot worse... and really things are getting better with each season. So in the end... be patient, you'll get your show... and it's not that HARD to do the RIGHT THING and wait a few hours for a show to come out. It's not like we're talking about waiting for an organ transplant.
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