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This is what we call not looking before you leap.

So are your suggesting CR should have kept the original schedule, even if they were permitted to post it earlier, simply to avoid it being delayed? I suspect not.

The other alternative seems to be that you believe CR to be precognizant, and able to peer into the future.



Valid points. However, it may have behooved CR to have instead made sure their supply/distribution chain and contacts for this highly popular show were both multiply redundant and secured instead of focusing on getting materials early, only to then not deliver two immediate weeks in a row right after.

If any effort was to be made given CR's history (as this has occurred in the past with SAO and other shows), maybe their priorities should be on reliability and trying to keep near the original principle of a simulcast, all in-line with internet releases and a legal streaming site, over contractually securing earlier release times (and then boldly advertising it) based on earlier broadcast times but then having no red phone or multiple contacts or their number on a priority list to get things corrected if things go amiss. The latter completely bombs people's viewing schedules and expectations for legal streaming.

If this gets corrected between 8-11pm eastern again (it'll be the 4th time that I can remember), it's not hard to speculate what's going on given the time difference between the US and Japan. We'll see.
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Still luv u tho CR
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TheAncientOne wrote:


fghh778 wrote:
This is what we call not looking before you leap.

So are your suggesting CR should have kept the original schedule, even if they were permitted to post it earlier, simply to avoid it being delayed? I suspect not.

The other alternative seems to be that you believe CR to be precognizant, and able to peer into the future.



Valid points. However, it may have behooved CR to have instead made sure their supply/distribution chain and contacts for this highly popular show were both multiply redundant and secured instead of focusing on getting materials early, only to then not deliver two immediate weeks in a row right after.



Ahem. When people behind the show itself have to apologize to Japanese TV stations for their tardiness in delivering all of the materials and a Japanese TV station A.) has higher priority than Crunchyroll, a foreign company and B.) a Japanese TV station has more clout than Crunchyroll, then there really isn't CR can do if Wit Studio is having production issues where they don't finish up the materials until the very last minute.

So the way I see is that this is completely the fault of the Japanese and people are acting like Crunchyroll can control how the production of Attack on Titan goes. CR had no way of knowing that AoT would run into these issues and I think there is little they can actually do about it.

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Ahem. When people behind the show itself have to apologize to Japanese TV stations for their tardiness in delivering all of the materials and a Japanese TV station A.) has higher priority than Crunchyroll, a foreign company and B.) a Japanese TV station has more clout than Crunchyroll, then there really isn't CR can do if Wit Studio is having production issues where they don't finish up the materials until the very last minute.

So the way I see is that this is completely the fault of the Japanese and people are acting like Crunchyroll can control how the production of Attack on Titan goes. CR had no way of knowing that AoT would run into these issues and I think there is little they can actually do about it.



Try again. The fansubs on this, according to comments, are done and have been up for hours, even possibly a full _day_ now. This was broadcast in Japan already many.hours ago, at least twice. This is _not_ a production problem, at least not any longer if it ever even was. It's a materials problem.

Even if it was delivered last minute to Japanese stations, that still means the master data is available, done, and in a form that is minimally difficult to make available for CR. Unless you believe a tape is expressed red priority special service on Sunday evening from Japan at the last minute for CR to convert and translate. Pretty sure they download a master after a link is provided at a certain release time contractually agreed upon. iow, someone in Japan didn't link the master or do the conversion, and CR can't reach the person responsible. Regardless, when production is delivering to the Japanese stations, they should be already doing the conversion for CR or linking it. They aren't. I would even argue the conversion for CR is easier given the resolutions.

And, btw, I didn't blame CR solely for this. As much as you want to make this a black and white issue, you may care to reread my main point in my first post, which was CR should be reinforcing their connections in the industry to get the master reliably on-time, instead of prioritizing and advertising an earlier start time. I'm fully aware CR is likely seen as second-tier to the Japanese, which was _the_ point in making that statement on reliability and connections. While you use that as an excuse, I look at it as an area that needs pointed improvement, over or instead of seeking earlier "start" times. That's what you do in business relationships, and CR has been at this business for years now.

This happens enough that people are getting a feel for what's going on, and regardless, legal streaming should not be falling behind pirating by 24 hours or at least near half a day. Not even close. You may want to look again at the time zone differences to understand better what I've also been alluding to.
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How surprising. Yet another delay. They seem to work their twitter account pretty well, how about tweeting an update or a heads up on any delays.
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@aPromethan: I direct your attention to this ANN article which clearly points to Episode 5 having some production hiccups.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-05-09/attack-on-titan-staff-apologizes-for-unfinished-episodes-on-3-stations

Now, I am not in the know about things in Japan, but with TV stations that are further away from Tokyo getting incomplete episodes due to lapsed delivery deadlines and that fact that it seems that Wit Studio badly wants more animators points to them finishing at the very last minute and this obviously makes it delayed on Crunchyroll since CR has to time the subttitles right, they have to do the right subtitles to fit what the characters are saying and sometimes I think CR has to typeset. I am not going to compare CR with a speedsubber because speedsubbers just grab a RAW taken off of the lead station and do a half-assed hack job of subbing it.

I just have trouble seeing how the Attack on Titan is somehow a failing of Crunchyroll's. (btw, is episode 6 delayed for Funi too?). OTOH, criticism of Crunchyroll's communication of delays is valid and they should get the word out better that they ran into some unexpected(and unavoidable) delays.
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I just have trouble seeing how the Attack on Titan is somehow a failing of Crunchyroll's. (btw, is episode 6 delayed for Funi too?). OTOH, criticism of Crunchyroll's communication of delays is valid and they should get the word out better that they ran into some unexpected(and unavoidable) delays.


Yes, Funimation is also delayed, still no announcement from them on when it will be up. Last week they were up at 5am, about 7 hours behind Crunchyroll.

Funimation tweeted:

FUNimation ‏@FUNimation 18 hours ago:
Due to a materials delay, ep 6 of #AttackOnTitan will be delayed. We'll have this up as soon as possible. Thank you for your patience.
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I've heard that Nico Nico has even had their stream delayed along with some of the Japanese TV stations. Looks like the studio has decided to delay release to fix the issues with the episode.
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IM IN CALIFORNIA AND IT SAYS NOT AVAILABLE IN MY REGION!! WTF?!?!?!?
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IM IN CALIFORNIA AND IT SAYS NOT AVAILABLE IN MY REGION!! WTF?!?!?!?

You may want to check the information shown at the bottom of the Contact Us page and see if "Detected Country:" actually shows as the United States. If it does not, try logging out and logging in again.

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already in and watching thanks. just had to log out then in again
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Not fair..
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Why won't the assholes who chop up the world and administer licencing restrictions just roll over and die already?! Shut up and take my money, why won't you?
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