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Are Americans afraid of their combat veterans?
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ghostwarrior88 If you have any questions, concerns, bitches, gripes, let me know. I probably won't put them to rest, I just want to look out for my troopers. Do you want to enter the military or do you not want to do anything else?


Just got accepted into West Point, so yep! It's not that I didn't want to do anything else. My heart is set for the military, and it always was. Dunno. I guess I was always the military type somehow and unusually, even if my whole family is not. I'll be going to infantry after, specifically Ranger school (for the insignia of course).


Shoot me a private message, I'd like to at least get your background.


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Complacency kills, incompetence under me as a team leader was met with a boot. Lives are at stake.


Rape is a problem everywhere, put a bunch of trained killers in one place, it's going to intensify.



Well... doesn't this make it clear why some people are afraid of combat vets?


Yup, you seem like a smart guy though, isn't that some stupid shit. Especially in an age where nuclear weapons are inefficient.
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I did two tours in Afghanistan, and one in Iraq as it wound down, and I ran into a few of the problems you mentioned. I've found that it's better just to not answer people when they ask you questions about your military history unless you are really sure that they want to know. 90% of the time I just say, "Yeah, I was in the military." And I leave it like that, unless I actually sense they really give a damn. When I want to talk about the past when deployed, I almost exclusively talk to my military buddies. Maybe not the best solution to bridging the gap, but I got tired of the blank stares and awkward statements that revealing my service brought up.

Good luck.
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Don't worry about it. There are crazy people who dont like hard working or successful veterans (probably because "they hate war"), but most people are not like that. and will treat you like a regular human being.

You have lived life that most haven't and that is something to be proud of.
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I will salute you, not run away. You did our country a service and I think that you shouldn't have ever been homeless. Most Americas care for our vets and the ones who don't we need to put them on the front lines during the next war.
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What was your MOS cheezy?
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I was Air Force EOD (3E8) , I worked with the Army 89D dudes.
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Ever get to Zabul or Nuristan?
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Bomb-grabber.
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Zabul province, but didn't spend time up near Nuristan. Most of the shit we did was in the south.
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Yeah, I'm partially deaf in one ear from all those pretty explosions haha.
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ghostwarrior88 wrote:

I was a paratrooper for a month short of five years, been in more TIC's(Troops in Contact) than I can count with with a mathematician. I'm curious if civilians in this country are afraid of me or hate me, it really wouldn't bother me if I'm hated but I want to know if the reason it's so tough for infantry guys is because people are scared of being around them.
These guys are coming back from wars regularly now for over ten years a good chunk of em' multiple times, some mentally destroyed and some physically, sometimes not alive.

I think the last stats I saw said around 30% of combat vets that exit service end up in poverty or homeless, I was homeless for a few months at first living out of a boxcar and an issued duffel bag full of gear at the railyard I worked in(by the way it was from early December to the end of February in Northern Wisconsin), my family wanted nothing to do with me for two years after I got out and my grandpa who was a Ranger in The Korean War died while I was in Africa. THAT SUCKED HARD. I'd be lying if I said I never thought about pounding a Budweiser tall boy and standing in front of a train.

Things are different me now and I'm not looking for sympathy, I have more even more horrifying stories that I'll save for later. I'm just trying to figure out if this is just something to do with me or if the average American simply turns a blind eye out of fear or possibly if it's a hate for the things grunts gotta do.









Historically we have always mistreated our vets... Globally (I'm not American but my nation doesn't have a much better record.)

It's chronicled in any number of songs and any number of authors.

'Tommy' by Rudyard Kipling (First published, under the title "The Queen's Uniform", in W.E. Henley’s weekly Scots Observer (later to become the National Observer) on 1 March 1890 and in the St. James's Gazette on the same day.--Roger Avers)



It was very bad after world war I, 'Brother can you spare a dime' is about the 'bonus army' of World War Veteran's who paraded before Washington trying to get money owed them because it was the depression and they were desperate. It's one of many things at the root of the gang problem. (the Hell's Angels began post world war I as a group of disaffected former combat pilots. Many of the gunmen and rumrunners in the early part of the 'roaring '20s' were vets who couldn't handle a return to civilian life and/or had no more faith/illusions about the system for which they had fought. But they still had the skills of death)


World War II wasn't quite so bad. Most of the 'Class of '45' came home heroes and dearly missed. for a while...

No one wants to Remember Korea and those vets have been quietly swept under the carpet.

Vietnam was in some ways worse for US Vets. Though their plight became better known in the '80s. (ie up to 20 years later)

And that's for Volunteers and Conscripts who wore national uniforms in at least partially acknowledged wars.

In My country we treated those who volunteered with the US in Vietnam as Mercs. Nor did we treat Volunteers who fought the Fascists in the Spanish civil war any better.

A lot of good people get killed and damaged in war. so that some suit in an office can sneer prissily at the remains as they walk past to their fine marble stepped and gold laminated offices in the financial district of the city of your choice.

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As for people being uncomfortable talking to you. part of that is simply that they've not been where you have been and many of them cannot understand it. I was a weekend warrior and cold warrior for my service. I never was shot at. never did anything dangerous outside of training. (Things were much more 'real' for me as a civilian ambulance driver) I am bit of a war 'buff' reading both history and 'military fiction' (escpecially by authors like David Drake, who have 'been there') I still can't pretend to understand really what it's been like to be where you've been that leads to a little shyness and diffidence on my part when I speak to veterans who have 'seen the elephant'. Many people don't have even the limited intellectual understanding I have to bridge the gap with.

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Brother can you spare a dime? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F4yT0KAMyo





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I understand why some people would be scared, because of how media portrays combat veterans. I ain't scurrred though. I respect you and anyone who is/was in the military. I'm sorry you had to go through what you did when you came back. Thank you for your service! You too, Cheezy. c:
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I got 9 months in Zabul, 24 in kunar/nuristan, someone has to work while the marines stand around lookin pretty.
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Sounds like you got stuck walking goat trails in the mountains for a couple years. I spent 22~ months doing a sightseeing round in southern Afghanistan, and 12 in Baghdad.
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Talkin paktika or ghanzi, or like helmand/oruzghan or kandahar. Was never deployed to arackistan.
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