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My issue with this show is they completely did away with the wish consequence concept, the whole thing about taking something away while giving you what you wished for. Seeing as how the cat god granting wishes was ultimately the crux of the show, the wish consequence was, in my opinion, an important element to the mixture of the show to balance out the blatant nonsensical nature of such a thing existing.

What's worse is that they re-touched on this consequence in the final episode, as if the entire series had remained loyal to it when it had really just ignored it the entire time, almost disgracefully. There are only two wishes I know of that actually carried out the "wish trade", and that was Yoko and Tsukiko's first wish in the beginning of the series.

At some point it became clear that wishes can be cancelled, which basically nullifies the whole dictation behind Yoko's first plight to get his ability to hide things better, and ultimately Tsukiko's inability to express herself (the 2nd being one of the most prominent forces behind the existence of the show).

Why were these wishes never cancelled once it was discovered that wish cancelling was even a thing?

This show, for the large part, didn't make any sense...I don't think this can be argued. The final two episodes were a decent string, but everything in between was nonsense. The whole bit with the rabbit god possessing...uh...yeah I don't know. Just...confusing.
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It was definitely mostly nonsensical; I looked at the Cat God as being a bit like Heartseed from Kokoro Connect though; each manifestation had different rules and would allow different kinds of wishes. Part of that is in the beginning, if you made a wish and something of yours was traded to someone else, you both had to negate on it to reverse the wish.

Which is why Youta had to chase Azusa Azuki all over the place in the beginning.

But that was apparently unique to the statue under the tree.

Tsukiko also negated on her first wish (presumably her trade hadn't yet been given to anyone else). But she sacrificed her ability to display emotions permanently by not accepting her meatbun back since this was the first time she and her sister had gotten along and she didn't want to risk losing what they'd gained by turning back into her old self.

This is reflected in the end as well when Youta chose not to negate on his childhood wish.

I'm reasonably sure the internal logic all makes sense, it's just near Inception-levels of complicated at times.

And I wasn't paying nearly that close attention.

Ultimately I think that's what I liked the most though; when a character arrived at a wish they chose not to take back.
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Let's be honest...this is the real reason why episode 12 was amazing...




Plop!
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Squeeeeee...
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Agreed.

Although honestly that arc bothered me a bit; for all their talk about how their mother was blameless and it was all the kids' fault, I thought that was mostly irritating. Their mom was an adult; she could get over herself and pick up a phone.

Seems like they shifted the blame to the kids in that circumstance.
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My issue with this show is they completely did away with the wish consequence concept, the whole thing about taking something away while giving you what you wished for. Seeing as how the cat god granting wishes was ultimately the crux of the show, the wish consequence was, in my opinion, an important element to the mixture of the show to balance out the blatant nonsensical nature of such a thing existing.

What's worse is that they re-touched on this consequence in the final episode, as if the entire series had remained loyal to it when it had really just ignored it the entire time, almost disgracefully. There are only two wishes I know of that actually carried out the "wish trade", and that was Yoko and Tsukiko's first wish in the beginning of the series.

At some point it became clear that wishes can be cancelled, which basically nullifies the whole dictation behind Yoko's first plight to get his ability to hide things better, and ultimately Tsukiko's inability to express herself (the 2nd being one of the most prominent forces behind the existence of the show).

Why were these wishes never cancelled once it was discovered that wish cancelling was even a thing?

This show, for the large part, didn't make any sense...I don't think this can be argued. The final two episodes were a decent string, but everything in between was nonsense. The whole bit with the rabbit god possessing...uh...yeah I don't know. Just...confusing.


you missed the boat. The consequence was that he lost his most treasured memories so that the girls and their mother could be happy before she died.
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zipzo wrote:

My issue with this show is they completely did away with the wish consequence concept, the whole thing about taking something away while giving you what you wished for. Seeing as how the cat god granting wishes was ultimately the crux of the show, the wish consequence was, in my opinion, an important element to the mixture of the show to balance out the blatant nonsensical nature of such a thing existing.

What's worse is that they re-touched on this consequence in the final episode, as if the entire series had remained loyal to it when it had really just ignored it the entire time, almost disgracefully. There are only two wishes I know of that actually carried out the "wish trade", and that was Yoko and Tsukiko's first wish in the beginning of the series.

At some point it became clear that wishes can be cancelled, which basically nullifies the whole dictation behind Yoko's first plight to get his ability to hide things better, and ultimately Tsukiko's inability to express herself (the 2nd being one of the most prominent forces behind the existence of the show).

Why were these wishes never cancelled once it was discovered that wish cancelling was even a thing?

This show, for the large part, didn't make any sense...I don't think this can be argued. The final two episodes were a decent string, but everything in between was nonsense. The whole bit with the rabbit god possessing...uh...yeah I don't know. Just...confusing.


you missed the boat. The consequence was that he lost his most treasured memories so that the girls and their mother could be happy before she died.


No...apparently you missed the boat (or didn't read my post correctly, whichever fits).

Him giving up his memories to them was his actual wish. It's completely different from one of his traits going to a random person he doesn't even know because that's the consequence of making a completely unrelated-to-that-person wish to the cat god.

Tsukiko's circumstance makes more sense under Insomnist's explanation, but really she had the power to get her expressions back all along without any sort of complication which renders a lot of the series moot, in my opinion.
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I already came to the conclusion that the series makes no sense, there is no point in trying to reason with it smh
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zipzo wrote:

My issue with this show is they completely did away with the wish consequence concept, the whole thing about taking something away while giving you what you wished for. Seeing as how the cat god granting wishes was ultimately the crux of the show, the wish consequence was, in my opinion, an important element to the mixture of the show to balance out the blatant nonsensical nature of such a thing existing.

What's worse is that they re-touched on this consequence in the final episode, as if the entire series had remained loyal to it when it had really just ignored it the entire time, almost disgracefully. There are only two wishes I know of that actually carried out the "wish trade", and that was Yoko and Tsukiko's first wish in the beginning of the series.

At some point it became clear that wishes can be cancelled, which basically nullifies the whole dictation behind Yoko's first plight to get his ability to hide things better, and ultimately Tsukiko's inability to express herself (the 2nd being one of the most prominent forces behind the existence of the show).

Why were these wishes never cancelled once it was discovered that wish cancelling was even a thing?

This show, for the large part, didn't make any sense...I don't think this can be argued. The final two episodes were a decent string, but everything in between was nonsense. The whole bit with the rabbit god possessing...uh...yeah I don't know. Just...confusing.


you missed the boat. The consequence was that he lost his most treasured memories so that the girls and their mother could be happy before she died.


No...apparently you missed the boat (or didn't read my post correctly, whichever fits).

Him giving up his memories to them was his actual wish. It's completely different from one of his traits going to a random person he doesn't even know because that's the consequence of making a completely unrelated-to-that-person wish to the cat god.

Tsukiko's circumstance makes more sense under Insomnist's explanation, but really she had the power to get her expressions back all along without any sort of complication which renders a lot of the series moot, in my opinion.


You said your issue is withe the consequences concept. But the wish that he made setup the other wishes from all the other episodes (fallout from having the memories with on physical proof and him not remembering anything that would be important to someone else(he wish that his memories would go to people who need them). With his open ended wish he made havoc in the lives of everyone around him and his own.
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Tsukiko's circumstance makes more sense under Insomnist's explanation, but really she had the power to get her expressions back all along without any sort of complication which renders a lot of the series moot, in my opinion.

There's three layers to that, which I'm not sure I conveyed properly so I'll state them just in case (for my own benefit if no one else's). First Tsukushi (the older sister) made the wish that spawned the Stony Cat statue we run into in the first episode. It has the unique power of taking offerings and swapping things around between the people.

Later Youta, Tsukiko, and Azusa all make wishes to the Stony Cat statue. Youta chases Azusa around until they get their wishes sorted out, and then Tsukiko takes back her wish as well (more easily done since her offering hadn't been given to anyone else yet). However, to receive back what you lost you also have to accept the item back you offered.

Tsukiko's item was a meatbun; but instead of accepting it back she gave it to her sister (who ate it). Youta was pretty horrified when that happened because it meant Tsukiko could never get her expressions back now, ever. But Tsukiko didn't mind because through what had happened she and her sister were reconciled due to her new self.

Incidentally this also fulfilled Tsukushi's wish that spawned the Stony Cat statue, so it vanished. But the Cat God was still very much around, which Youta found out when his house vanished and all his belongings reappeared in the Tsutsukakushi's storage shed. Honestly this whole thing makes Inception look almost rudimentary after awhile. XD

They might've explained it better, but it's almost charming how the closer you look the deeper the rabbit hole goes.

And this also lets people simply enjoy the crazy without being forced to think too hard.


I'm not even sure if this explanation is complete, but it's as much as I managed to pick up on.

(With a little help from the wiki, to make sure I wasn't blundering).
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A consequence brought on simply by lack of foresight is much less interesting than a mechanical, and wholefully unpredictable consequence of simply making the wish in the first place. One can sort of be helped, the other not so much. Do you not see the difference?



I see where you're going with it. It does make sense, but one can't help but feel bad that somebody is now relentlessly unable to show emotion for the rest of their lives...regardless of the intention behind her being satisfactory with her current state, you know? It is what it is...I suppose.

If anything they can always make a pass at the "anything goes" cat god and just wish her to have expressions whenever they feel like 'reversing' it, because as far as limitations go it doesn't seem as though anything is really out of the cat gods reach of power if time travel with no strings attached regarding "messing" with the past was any indication.
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Liked the ending, it suddenly all clicked and was pretty nice for me. Also tsuki's oka-shan nearly made me loose it, more chibi tuski!

Overall, fun series, not great but not bad either. Some nice voice acting (especially tsukukakshi's VA) but felt like maybe a few of the earlier episodes with nothing happening could have been cut short for more story? Probably a 6.5/10 for me, would watch again, but maybe in a year or 2
Posted 7/1/13
When I first saw episode 12, i did think it was cute

.gif of scene that zipzo was talking about.

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When I first saw episode 12, i did think it was cute

.gif of scene that zipzo was talking about.



It almost seems as though the lack of the sound effects from the show do that gif a disservice. Haha.
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If anything they can always make a pass at the "anything goes" cat god and just wish her to have expressions whenever they feel like 'reversing' it, because as far as limitations go it doesn't seem as though anything is really out of the cat gods reach of power if time travel with no strings attached regarding "messing" with the past was any indication.

Oooh. Gotcha. I guess I just assumed each wish was its own contract in a sense, and you couldn't specifically make wishes to specifically countermand other wishes (since that'd basically be cheating) but I can't back that up at all.

Maybe it's discussed at some point in the novels or manga. Not sure.
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It almost seems as though the lack of the sound effects from the show do that gif a disservice. Haha.


I have to agree with you there zipzo. It's much more cuter with sound effect.
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