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Would you buy anime if the U.S. anime localization industry shifted to a business/sales model like the Japanese anime ma
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^ that's why the prices are so high. Anime is niche (unlike Hollywood which is mainstream, cause 3D people are better :p )
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I only buy GOOD anime but haven't bought anything in 2 months now. I still wouldn't buy at the same prices as Japanese marks pay for their anime. Their pricing scheme simply wouldn't work Stateside.
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As an A1C I don't get paid enough to purchase many DVD/BluRay so I say to sites like Crunchyroll, take my money and keep streaming it into my eyes. I'm more then happy with the quality that I get here (being use to old tv with no remotes and a knob to change the channel). But the price that I would have to pay to own them physically just doesn't match what most shows are worth to me. Of course there are exceptions that I am currently saving for like, the Evangalion 3.33 movie. And I think that most people think this way, it would be to expensive if they tried it this way.
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Posted 4/21/13

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hpulley wrote:

I said yes but that is because I IMPORT TODAY. I only buy Japanese import anime, nothing localized for north america. So I don't mind the prices. I like supporting my shows DIRECTLY and that means I don't mind the import prices which are set up under the assumption that the disc sales are the largest contributor to recouping the cost of making the show. Buying localized discs does not directly support the show as usually a much smaller fee has been paid for home video rights.


When you import are they subbed?

I never really bothered to check, if they do what sites do you use to order :)

Some are subbed, most aren't.

Recent English subbed import examples:

Gargantia on the Verderous Planet
Love Live!
Little Busters!
Gundam Unicorn
...

I only order from www.amazon.co.jp
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Posted 4/21/13 , edited 4/21/13

hpulley wrote:

Recent English subbed import examples:

Gargantia on the Verderous Planet
Love Live!
Little Busters!
Gundam Unicorn
...

I only order from www.amazon.co.jp

Hmm, is that a recent thing for legit Jap imports to have English subtitles? The only ones that I've ever imported were from several years back, (before I knew they were bootlegs), those illegal ones that have Chinese and English subtitles. Unfortunately, I still see those popping up on Ebay. I report those sellers though every time I see them since I know they're not helping the anime industry at all. They're making it a lot worse actually w/how cheap they generally sell things which gets people to buy them instead of the legit ones like I used to.
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Posted 4/21/13

suikojay wrote:
Hmm, is that a recent thing for legit Jap imports to have English subtitles?

I would say it is a relatively recent development. With Japan and the United States sharing the same region code for Blu-ray, the barrier that existed with different region codes for DVD is eliminated.

Unfortunately, that also works against U.S. companies that want to publish anime on Blu-ray. Since reverse importing is now also lacks that barrier, it means the licensor in Japan will either insist on a longer delay for the Blu-ray to be made available and/or require locked English subs when Japanese audio is selected, not permitting the Japanese audio to be used (thankfully rare), or simply deny a license for Blu-ray release (limiting the publisher to only DVD).

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Posted 4/21/13 , edited 4/21/13

TheAncientOne wrote:


suikojay wrote:
Hmm, is that a recent thing for legit Jap imports to have English subtitles?

I would say it is a relatively recent development. With Japan and the United States sharing the same region code for Blu-ray, the barrier that existed with different region codes for DVD is eliminated.

Unfortunately, that also works against U.S. companies that want to publish anime on Blu-ray. Since reverse importing is now also lacks that barrier, it means the licensor in Japan will either insist on a longer delay for the Blu-ray to be made available and/or require locked English subs when Japanese audio is selected, not permitting the Japanese audio to be used (thankfully rare), or simply deny a license for Blu-ray release (limiting the publisher to only DVD).


With the upcoming release of the Madoka Magica movie BD, the same disc is being sold worldwide with English and French subs, maybe more. Local distributors are putting their own goodies in their own packages with different or translated booklets and so on but the disc is the same for all locations. I'm not sure if this is an experiment or a new model. The extras are not subbed which is the same for LoveLive!, only the main episodes are subbed, not bonus videos or commentaries, etc. The price of Madoka Magica is such that reverse importation is not an issue, same price everywhere effectively and in fact with amazon.co.jp's 26-28% discount on BDs it may be cheaper even with shipping to get it from Japan but of course you won't get the translated booklet in that case.

http://en.animate-onlineshop.jp/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=14

People SHOULD be disappointed with the bootleg BDs are they are something you can make yourself by downloading some fansubs, adding a menu and burning them to disc. A recent funny one was the complete season of Girls Und Panzer offered before episodes 11 and 12 had aired...
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Posted 4/21/13
The original question assumes you're buying anime in the first place. I get so much from my Crunchyroll membership that I'm buying less and less physical releases. With my back catalogue, I'm really only interested if it's a quality English dub. If the prices got jacked up, I wouldn't buy anything.

With the BBC free iplayer service, you can only download episodes that aired in the last seven days, once you start watching you get seven more days to watch the show (as many times as you like) At the end of that seven day period the episode is removed from your machine. Contrast that with Crunchyroll, where you get several years to watch an episode, or chain a series in one go.

The real problem has always been that the Japanese companies have been more interested in protectionist policies rather than selling in the US/UK. Case in point being a Code Geass or a K-On. Bandai would dripfeed disks out at stupid prices which only appealed to collectors. Instead they should have set a decent price point for the set, and actually spent serious money on advertising.
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Posted 4/21/13

bhl88 wrote:

^ that's why the prices are so high. Anime is niche (unlike Hollywood which is mainstream, cause 3D people are better :p )


It's hard to move beyond niche when you price your media 5 times higher than something of equal "value."
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Posted 4/21/13
Related to this discussion: I thought that one could only use Amazon JP if one is living in Japan and / or knows somebody who lives in Japan and is willing to act as a proxy? Has that changed in recent months?
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rcsatcrunchyroll wrote:

Related to this discussion: I thought that one could only use Amazon JP if one is living in Japan and / or knows somebody who lives in Japan and is willing to act as a proxy? Has that changed in recent months?


I'm using amazon.jp to import. I don't see why they wouldn't be able to export unless perhaps they only recently set up their shipping pipeline.
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Posted 4/21/13 , edited 4/21/13
Its all about the money.

Packaging is very expensive .

I would buy also if they have special editions that would be similar to Japan's becuase I can afford the collectors copy but other than that the north american release should not follow the Japanese sale models becuase Bluray /dvd sales as it is is slowing down as a whole.

But i hope they at least improve the packaging , some really suck.Japanese on the other hand are pretty good in that part.

Also the license CR has to stream a title has a time limit , so some titles will just be gone from the list .

And regarding those complete sets some has bad quality coz they put alot of episodes in one disc plus all program, the graphics . Its not even 720 p because the hidef monitor can easily show it if its not.


Posted 4/21/13
I'd be very careful about how much I'd buy. Previewing a show before buying is the obvious process to go through.
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Posted 4/21/13

rcsatcrunchyroll wrote:

Related to this discussion: I thought that one could only use Amazon JP if one is living in Japan and / or knows somebody who lives in Japan and is willing to act as a proxy? Has that changed in recent months?


Amazon.co.jp ships worldwide and has done so for a long time. I have been importing from them to Canada since 2006!

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At the expense of having my membership costs go up as a result of this post...

I love the CR model. Sure I don't own the Anime and there have been numerous occasions where a license is revoked and CR can no longer show the title, but I rarely re-watch an anime unless my wife or close friend wants to watch it with me. That being said, I just picked an anime this weekend and watched 24 episodes in between house chores.

AND I only pay the yearly membership fee. Having to purchase that anime for a hard copy would have cost more than my membership. Plus, who knows if I like the story? So, I'm clearly getting the most bang for my buck since I don't have any desire to re-watch or to collect.
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