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~ Portrayal of Race in Manga and Anime
Posted 4/23/13 , edited 4/23/13
~ Portrayal of Race in Manga and Anime



Interesting topics:

http://scienceblogs.com/cognitivedaily/2009/11/03/anime-film-characters-do-we-pe/
http://www.matt-thorn.com/mangagaku/faceoftheother.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/22/weekinreview/barbie-s-journey-in-japan.html
Posted 5/2/13
Japanese and Caucasian characters tend to appear Caucasian, though sometimes as they are intended to be according to ethnicity. The whole Caucasian character designs taking place of Asian-looking ones is a concept where the Japanese wanted to look at a different standard of beauty, and chose Caucasian people as having a very high one. Almost universal, if you prefer.

Some call the look statelessness, as no character appearing white, but is actually not, has an exact ethnic look, due to wild hair colors and other impossible physical characteristics not noted in reality.
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Really....?!
...Then why are Caucasian so bad at cosplaying.... considering that the anime character is modeled to their looks...?

I personally thinks that this is a really bad argument...
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Really....?!
...Then why are Caucasian so bad at cosplaying.... considering that the anime character is modeled to their looks...?

I personally thinks that this is a really bad argument...


Anime characters look American...
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Caucasians are not the only people with white skin. anime noses are small. white people's nose on average are bigger than Japanese noses


http://www.nikkeiview.com/blog/2010/09/japanese-dont-draw-anime-characters-to-be-white/





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It seems to me that the Japanese like large eyes for their characters because they find them cute. Hair and eye colours seem simply destined to add diversity, fun and flavour to things. Artists like to work with a mix of colours and viewers like it too. Even simply for the sake of practicality - most anime styles have very similar faces for their characters. If you removed the eclectic mix of colours you'd have the army of the clones. So yeah, refuting those two elements leaves little to suggest that these are characters of a different ethnicity.

It's hard to describe my reaction when I see black characters in most anime or Japanese - even Asian - movies. I'm disappointed, but left smirking at how ridiculous it can be. African diplomat in Kitano's Outrage anyone? That's just plain, honest disrespect
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However, in a series where the races pretty much resemble their real life counterparts, the Japanese characters in this series are drawn just like the White characters, but without coloured eyes and hair. My point is, if the manga-ka can go through so much trouble to draw features on the Black characters, shouldn't she do the same for the Japanese ones as well? She should make their eyes more narrow/sharper, and give them more typically "Asian" features since obviously she took the time and effort to give the Black characters more typically "Black" features!

I find that really odd, and rather unfair.

There is nothing unfair about it. No one wants their protagonist and Japanese side charterers to have ugly features, more over look boring. It's not about making them more Japanese, it's about making them interesting.

But it does bother me if the story is in modern Japan and Chinese people are portrayed with small eyes. What the hell are you implying? Japanese people don't fucking have small eyes? They are both asian. Both of those countries even use eye glue! The only good looking Chinese character I've came across was

Posted 5/28/13

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shuyi000 wrote:

Really....?!
...Then why are Caucasian so bad at cosplaying.... considering that the anime character is modeled to their looks...?

I personally thinks that this is a really bad argument...


Anime characters look American... :D


America is a multicultural society with people from all over the world, so what exactly are you implying?
Posted 5/28/13

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magicuser360 wrote:

However, in a series where the races pretty much resemble their real life counterparts, the Japanese characters in this series are drawn just like the White characters, but without coloured eyes and hair. My point is, if the manga-ka can go through so much trouble to draw features on the Black characters, shouldn't she do the same for the Japanese ones as well? She should make their eyes more narrow/sharper, and give them more typically "Asian" features since obviously she took the time and effort to give the Black characters more typically "Black" features!

I find that really odd, and rather unfair.

There is nothing unfair about it. No one wants their protagonist and Japanese side charterers to have ugly features, more over look boring. It's not about making them more Japanese, it's about making them interesting.

But it does bother me if the story is in modern Japan and Chinese people are portrayed with small eyes. What the hell are you implying? Japanese people don't fucking have small eyes? They are both asian. Both of those countries even use eye glue! The only good looking Chinese character I've came across was



1) You're contradicting yourself in your post

2) Your post comes across as racist

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Posted 5/28/13 , edited 5/28/13

magicuser360 wrote:


FlyinDumpling wrote:


magicuser360 wrote:

However, in a series where the races pretty much resemble their real life counterparts, the Japanese characters in this series are drawn just like the White characters, but without coloured eyes and hair. My point is, if the manga-ka can go through so much trouble to draw features on the Black characters, shouldn't she do the same for the Japanese ones as well? She should make their eyes more narrow/sharper, and give them more typically "Asian" features since obviously she took the time and effort to give the Black characters more typically "Black" features!

I find that really odd, and rather unfair.

There is nothing unfair about it. No one wants their protagonist and Japanese side charterers to have ugly features, more over look boring. It's not about making them more Japanese, it's about making them interesting.

But it does bother me if the story is in modern Japan and Chinese people are portrayed with small eyes. What the hell are you implying? Japanese people don't fucking have small eyes? They are both asian. Both of those countries even use eye glue! The only good looking Chinese character I've came across was



1) You're contradicting yourself in your post

2) Your post comes across as racist

Fine , it does not bother me that Chinese people are portrayed with small eyes
Posted 5/28/13

shuyi000 wrote:

Really....?!
...Then why are Caucasian so bad at cosplaying.... considering that the anime character is modeled to their looks...?

I personally thinks that this is a really bad argument...


...A lot of non-Asian cosplay in general is really good, just as a lot of Asian cosplay isn't that great.

It goes both ways you know. And btw, Caucasian does not only mean someone who is European (white).
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Posted 5/28/13
I find it very difficult to differentiate race in anime unless it is very obvious.
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Posted 5/29/13 , edited 5/29/13

magicuser360 wrote:

~ Portrayal of Race in Manga and Anime



Interesting topics:

http://scienceblogs.com/cognitivedaily/2009/11/03/anime-film-characters-do-we-pe/
http://www.matt-thorn.com/mangagaku/faceoftheother.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/22/weekinreview/barbie-s-journey-in-japan.html


Because Caucasian features are not exclusively "caucasian", if I'm making any sense. I don't understand why people say "Oh, that Asian person has Caucasian features because he/she has big eyes and pointy nose", these features exist within the Asian race, why do people label these features as "exclusively Caucasian"?

Just like in Caucasian population, there is black hair and even Caucasian people have narrow eyes, but nobody label such features as "exclusively Asian features".

When Japanese people draw the "pretty" characters with supposedly "caucasian" features, they obviously modelled it after the most attractive Japanese people that exist within their society.

And just to be fair, they do draw some Black characters with green eyes, purple eyes all sort of colours. Just because they have these colourful eyes/hair, doesn't mean the animator prefer "caucasian" features over their own race's features.
Posted 5/29/13 , edited 5/29/13

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magicuser360 wrote:

~ Portrayal of Race in Manga and Anime



Interesting topics:

http://scienceblogs.com/cognitivedaily/2009/11/03/anime-film-characters-do-we-pe/
http://www.matt-thorn.com/mangagaku/faceoftheother.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/22/weekinreview/barbie-s-journey-in-japan.html


Because Caucasian features are not exclusively "caucasian", if I'm making any sense. I don't understand why people say "Oh, that Asian person has Caucasian features because he/she has big eyes and pointy nose", these features exist within the Asian race, why do people label these features as "exclusively Caucasian"?

Just like in Caucasian population, there is black hair and even Caucasian people have narrow eyes, but nobody label such features as "exclusively Asian features".

When Japanese people draw the "pretty" characters with supposedly "caucasian" features, they obviously modelled it after the most attractive Japanese people that exist within their society.

And just to be fair, they do draw some Black characters with green eyes, purple eyes all sort of colours. Just because they have these colourful eyes/hair, doesn't mean the animator prefer "caucasian" features over their own race's features.


Caucasian features are just that - Caucasian features. It goes far more than "big eyes" or "pointy noses" - it's bone structure and facial features. You do NOT define race by skin color either. Caucasians can be European (aka, German, Irish etc.) or they can be the other type - (Indian or Middle Eastern etc.). Features are the same, but the skin color may vary. I say "may" because European-Caucasians are NOT the only ones with lighter skin or colored hair and eyes.

And uh, majority of European-Caucasians have dark hair (brown/black) you know.

Even if Asians have bigger eyes, they will be bigger but with a typical Asian shape. Even if their eyes are bigger, people are easily able to tell at once that they are Asian, because of their facial features. Like for instance, a Vietnamese person usually has larger eyes than a Korean person, but you're still able to tell at once they are Asian.

When Caucasian (or non-Asian people in general) have more "narrow eyes" they're still NOT Asian eyes (almost always). Even if they are narrow, an Asian eye shape is generally different from all other races, which makes them so easy to identify.

My point was that when they show a Black person in anime, they always include typical Black features. Yet, when there is an Asian in anime, they never/rarely draw them with typical Asian features.
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Caucasian features are just that - Caucasian features. It goes far more than "big eyes" or "pointy noses" - it's bone structure and facial features. You do NOT define race by skin color either. Caucasians can be European (aka, German, Irish etc.) or they can be the other type - (Indian or Middle Eastern etc.). Features are the same, but the skin color may vary. I say "may" because European-Caucasians are NOT the only ones with lighter skin or colored hair and eyes.

And uh, majority of European-Caucasians have dark hair (brown/black) you know.

Even if Asians have bigger eyes, they will be bigger but with a typical Asian shape. Even if their eyes are bigger, people are easily able to tell at once that they are Asian, because of their facial features. Like for instance, a Vietnamese person usually has larger eyes than a Korean person, but you're still able to tell at once they are Asian.

When Caucasian (or non-Asian people in general) have more "narrow eyes" they're still NOT Asian eyes (almost always). Even if they are narrow, an Asian eye shape is generally different from all other races, which makes them so easy to identify.

My point was that when they show a Black person in anime, they always include typical Black features. Yet, when there is an Asian in anime, they never/rarely draw them with typical Asian features.


I think you're able to tell that they're Asian because of their skin colour/hair colour and eye colour, really. If their hair/eyes were naturally brown, you'd think they were something else. But that's what I mean, just because Asians have ultra black hair and ultra dark eyes don't make these features exclusively Asian. Caucasian people obviously have these features as well, but only a minority of them actually have the darkness at the same level as the majority of Asians. I can tell that their Black hair is not ultra black.

Google image Leann Rimes, and you'll see what I mean. Her eye colour is not "asian" but her eyeshape is (I'm just labelling things as Asian for the sake of the argument, I don't believe in defining any race by "asian" or "caucasian" features). And on the streets I see a lot of Caucasian people with these sort of eyes.

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Have you looked at Black characters design in Bleach/Naruto/D.Grayman? They don't have flat nose, thick lips that you suggested.

At the same time, there are main characters with slanted eyes and "asian" eyes such as Sasuke from Naruto is a prime example.
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