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Post Reply Kill or be Killed...which button would you press!?
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Panic for five minutes trying to build up the mental strength to press the red button, then press the blue when available
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justanotherguy_2005 wrote: Obviously it is possible that both people will die regardless of which button they choose because of lying. We have only the given information to go off of though so in order to maximize the probability of surviving, based on the provided information, red is the only logical choice.

I disagree that red is the "only" logical choice, because that implies that there is no choice at all. And in the scenario as presented, blue is a viable option, but only if both people choose it. If I have to trust someone I've never met, versus trusting the assholes who put me into the scenario in the first place, I'll put my faith in the other person. If that were to lead to my death, so be it. We are responsible for the consequences of our actions.
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I like the Red colour so I will press the Red Button
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justanotherguy_2005 wrote:

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Exactly (No, I am not quoting you and letting you break it.)- Damn. That was for Ink-e

This definitely reminds me of Virtue's Last Reward.

Red is the only safe option though. You can't trust the other person will hit blue just as they can't trust you will hit blue. The best option is to make sure you are safe. Besides, if I don't even know who it is killing I can just shrug it off and tell myself nothing even happened when I pressed the red button besides proving I am willing to kill people in a highly specific situation.


so you are alright with70% of the world being destroyed as long as you dont know about it ;p
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NeonsShadow wrote:

Blue, I don't value my life more as the other person, They probably also want to live more than I do. This is not to say I hate myself I just don't fear death.


;) u cant fear if your dead~ no reason to fear~ buahaha
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pandrasb wrote:

So the question is whether you trust in people or not

If I press the red button
- Kill a person (Guilt of killing a person can drive you into madness and can result in suicide)
+ Life

If I press the blue button
- Possible Death
+ Save a person (Makes for a better death, since death is inevitable)

well, nothing ventured, nothing gained - Blue


killing someone does not take you that crazy unless you were "programmed" to be so~ but i dont think there is need to kill~
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Red is, indeed, the most logical choice. It's a silly trick where logic works to decrease our chance of survival. It would be a pretty low chance of getting a crazy guy on the other end, but tragically typical to get a logical guy on the other end who presses red on the off-chance that you're crazy. It's basically an example of why naivety would exist as a survival trait.
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I would chose the red button because the other person would have no idea that I was in the same situation as them unless they were told which still wouldn't matter because niether person would know what the other was thinking and theres no communication. So red button would be pressed on my end and the other person would have to die or they may kill me by thinking the same. So sorry other person but no communication and no knowlege of you unless I was informed....then you are dead.
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Pushing the red button could kill yourself then too? xD The irony in that :P

I would probably pick the second choice.. I ain't no killer!
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Corogast wrote:

Blue button, I cannot take another life to perserve mine. Since I would technically be commiting murder with the red button :P


DEAD MAN TRUSTING

Former Military here. The issue is trust and humans are really F***ed up and will not waste to much time killing you.

I was in an outer perimeter position and hadn't seen or heard anything all day when I heard a twig snap whipped around and almost pulled the trigger on a girl 14-16 yrs old in a dirty dress. I didn't want to kill a girl. I told her to go and waved her on.I started to relax and out of habit I looked over my shoulder and my heart almost stopped. That little girl now had a small pistol in her hand and had it pointed at me. Instinct took over as the sights stopped on her I tapped the trigger twice. Two hits, one in the shoulder one dead center. I walked over and she was still alive and I wanted to cry I asked why throw your life away. She replied "Everyone hurts me every day, treats me as animal. I want to die."
I watched the life/light fade from her eyes.That image wont go away
This is a memory that relates to this question.

Trust that can be tossed aside on a whim. sad but true. The majority of people will kill not trust.
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Very sad.......
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Spazticus wrote:


justanotherguy_2005 wrote: Obviously it is possible that both people will die regardless of which button they choose because of lying. We have only the given information to go off of though so in order to maximize the probability of surviving, based on the provided information, red is the only logical choice.

I disagree that red is the "only" logical choice, because that implies that there is no choice at all. And in the scenario as presented, blue is a viable option, but only if both people choose it. If I have to trust someone I've never met, versus trusting the assholes who put me into the scenario in the first place, I'll put my faith in the other person. If that were to lead to my death, so be it. We are responsible for the consequences of our actions.


Not true at all. It doesn't imply there is no choice at all. It just means that logically speaking to maximize your chance of survival you would press the red button. That isn't saying you can't take a leap of faith with the blue button. If you want to test your faith in humanity then logically you would press the blue since it would be the only way to do that and come out on top.


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justanotherguy_2005 wrote:

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Exactly (No, I am not quoting you and letting you break it.)- Damn. That was for Ink-e

This definitely reminds me of Virtue's Last Reward.

Red is the only safe option though. You can't trust the other person will hit blue just as they can't trust you will hit blue. The best option is to make sure you are safe. Besides, if I don't even know who it is killing I can just shrug it off and tell myself nothing even happened when I pressed the red button besides proving I am willing to kill people in a highly specific situation.


so you are alright with70% of the world being destroyed as long as you dont know about it ;p


Yes. It's the same with people on this very site actually. Everyone here is basically just lines of text on a website. If anyone here were to die I wouldn't know and even if I did notice their absence I would most likely just attribute it to them being busy in RL or moving on to a new site or other similar things. People who I don't even see on a website around the world? Well unfortunately for them they mean even less to me than simple lines of text. (I know I totally got way too serious with your comment but oh well.)
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The question would have more legitimacy if the person sitting opposite were either a family member or spouse, rather than a complete stranger.
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There is a third choice that you are not considering that cannot be removed from the equation, pressing neither button. Inaction is a choice always, the question is that you have two choices of action and doesn't consider inaction a choice or action. There is also nothing said about compelling you to choose and as long as one of you doesn't choose there is no resolution. Just wait and someone eventually set you free. That way if I die I have no regrets and if I live I have not regrets, in neither case did I choose to kill someone.

You can choose to make the experiment require a choice or die. Then I would still not make a choice and accept the absolute certainty that I died for another. Greater love can no man have than to give his life for another, in my death the person responsible would be the originator of the test as my choice would have nothing to do with it. I would neither chose death for myself or another, that choice would of been decided by whoever installed those buttons to begin with. I would die neither a murderer or a suicide victim, just chose to have a clear conscious and face my death with the same quality that I did my life.

You may think you can deal with the guilt, but what if they were lying. You would trust someone who tired you to a chair and give you those commands? If you did I think you have more problems than distrusting them. You only can deal with those things you really know, what if that random person would start World War III or would end War forever. What gives you the right to play God, even if given the limited random chance? I would make my own choice to not press the button if the parameters of the test change then I would have to reconsider. But the blame doesn't come to me unless my choice is to involve myself in this absurd conundrum.
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Jamming777 wrote:

There is a third choice that you are not considering that cannot be removed from the equation, pressing neither button. Inaction is a choice always, the question is that you have two choices of action and doesn't consider inaction a choice or action. There is also nothing said about compelling you to choose and as long as one of you doesn't choose there is no resolution. Just wait and someone eventually set you free. That way if I die I have no regrets and if I live I have not regrets, in neither case did I choose to kill someone.

You can choose to make the experiment require a choice or die. Then I would still not make a choice and accept the absolute certainty that I died for another. Greater love can no man have than to give his life for another, in my death the person responsible would be the originator of the test as my choice would have nothing to do with it. I would neither chose death for myself or another, that choice would of been decided by whoever installed those buttons to begin with. I would die neither a murderer or a suicide victim, just chose to have a clear conscious and face my death with the same quality that I did my life.

You may think you can deal with the guilt, but what if they were lying. You would trust someone who tired you to a chair and give you those commands? If you did I think you have more problems than distrusting them. You only can deal with those things you really know, what if that random person would start World War III or would end War forever. What gives you the right to play God, even if given the limited random chance? I would make my own choice to not press the button if the parameters of the test change then I would have to reconsider. But the blame doesn't come to me unless my choice is to involve myself in this absurd conundrum.


While it is true that it was not said an action is required I choose to believe, for the sake of making the question more difficult, that if either person chooses to take no action then both die thus making it a better option to at least choose something.
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