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Institutions
Posted 4/26/13
In case some people are wondering, social institutions are patterned set of behaviors and operations constructed by societies to satisfy basic human needs. For example, school, media, government, religion, families, are all institutions.

There are two theorist who have different opinions about the subject, there names are Durkheim and Marx.

Durkheim Theory: Social institutions system helps society achieve stability, it has an important function.

Marx Theory: Social institutions system is a tool used by those in power to control society and maintain dominance.

So basically, my quesion is, which theorist do you agree with and why?

BTW: If this is a duplicate thread, you can lock it.
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Posted 4/26/13
They can be both, depending on who's in power; in fact, they probably are percentages of both at all times. Nazi Germany would be 90% control, 10% social usefulness; in today's western societies, the control part is probably reduced to 15-20% (kind of raising). Marx was too extreme and negative in his criticism, but you can't believe that everything around us is just working to create the best possible world and bunnies and magical unicorns and stuff either.
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Posted 4/26/13

TheGordianNot wrote:

they probably are percentages of both at all times..


this...i reckon
Posted 4/26/13 , edited 4/26/13
Depends on the environment??

I'd have to say thou that it has got a lot to do with establishing hierarchy
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I believe both work. depending on the behaviors you wish to promote either method could be used. This also deals with who has power and how those without power perceive them. Religion for example sets up moral laws and establishes what is right and wrong. It also has to do with what the behaviors are being promoted for. For example promoting a strong sense of nationalism may be used to encourage the public to purchase goods made from within the country, which would be good for that country, while promoting the same behavior may also be used to create a separation between persons of another country, thus promoting the idea that those like you are more superior. The second would create a divide between groups while the first unifies a targeted group. Its all just a game to persuade how others see their world. Both however, are effective and though my example makes light of one I am not saying I agree with either theorist more than the other. wow that was a lot
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Posted 4/26/13
I argue in favor of Durkheim. That is not to say that people in power don't become corrupt - but it is natural for humans to congregate and form rules of behavior.
Posted 4/26/13

TheGordianNot wrote:

They can be both, depending on who's in power; in fact, they probably are percentages of both at all times. Nazi Germany would be 90% control, 10% social usefulness; in today's western societies, the control part is probably reduced to 15-20% (kind of raising). Marx was too extreme and negative in his criticism, but you can't believe that everything around us is just working to create the best possible world and bunnies and magical unicorns and stuff either.


^ Agree. It depends who is in charge of the institutions that are set up.
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Posted 4/29/13
Initially Durkheim theory, but over time it will deviate into Marx's theory, to the point that control becomes a majority. Once stability is established what else is there other than to extend regulation in order to preserve the institution.
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Public schooling in America is a conveyer belt, designed to produce easily led, minimally functional, subservient sheep, unable to have independent or politically incorrect thoughts and who are no threat to the ruling class. It's been controlled by unions and democrats for decades, so it's rather obvious which school of thought they subscribe to. And if I ever expressed this viewpoint in a school essay, I would flunk. The vast majority of public school students are trapped on a treadmill, running a "Race to Nowhere".
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trinkit wrote:

Public schooling in America is a conveyer belt, designed to produce easily led, minimally functional, subservient sheep, unable to have independent or politically incorrect thoughts and who are no threat to the ruling class. It's been controlled by unions and democrats for decades, so it's rather obvious which school of thought they subscribe to. And if I ever expressed this viewpoint in a school essay, I would flunk. The vast majority of public school students are trapped on a treadmill, running a "Race to Nowhere".


Unions and Democrats creating a system that is no threat to "the ruling class"? You do realize that unions, Democrats, and other leftist leaning organizations are typically pro worker and anti "ruling class" right? Further more most text books used by public schools come from Texas a deeply Republican state so I have no idea where you are getting this conspiracy theory from .
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Dont_Mind_Me wrote:
Democrats, and other leftist leaning organizations are typically pro worker and anti "ruling class" right? Further more... I have no idea where you are getting this conspiracy theory from .


Congratulations, your indoctrination is complete!
Democrats and leftist leaning organizations love the working man so much they designed a system whereby they have a perpetual supply of them.
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trinkit wrote:


Dont_Mind_Me wrote:
Democrats, and other leftist leaning organizations are typically pro worker and anti "ruling class" right? Further more... I have no idea where you are getting this conspiracy theory from .


Congratulations, your indoctrination is complete!
Democrats and leftist leaning organizations love the working man so much they designed a system whereby they have a perpetual supply of them.


Right. So this I'm guessing is what happens when you mix Fox News with pre-teen angst? You get fantasies of dystopian high schools controlled by the evil Darklord Obama? Out of curiosity where do the Republicans factor into this world of yours?
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Lol. I don't think Marx applies at all to America.

Sure they can filter what we learn in school. Who gives a shit? Learn on your own, not like they teach enough anyway.

E: lol again. Why are we trying to figure out the ruling class? Of course it's the government, all members and all bodies that comprise it. It' the government, that's its job.
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Dont_Mind_Me wrote:



America is bipolar. Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin. But you appear too partisan, which prevents you from seeing that they both comprise the ruling class. The question you fail to ask is: Where do the Republicans factor into the education equation? And the truthful answer is, they don’t.
I don’t even know where the other stuff you typed comes from because it makes little sense to me. I merely stated observations, which you’ve done nothing to dispel.

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America is bipolar. Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin. But you appear too partisan, which prevents you from seeing that they both comprise the ruling class. The question you fail to ask is: Where do the Republicans factor into the education equation? And the truthful answer is, they don’t.
I don’t even know where the other stuff you typed comes from because it makes little sense to me. I merely stated observations, which you’ve done nothing to dispel.



What is there to dispel? You have given zero proof that the Democrats and Unions are doing this. Nothing.

You completely ignore my point on the Republicans in Texas writing the text books that all public schools use which obviously shows that Republicans do have a stake in the education system

To go further in that Republicans in Kentucky allow public schools to teach Creationism along with Evolution in public schools something that secular Democrats obviously do not agree with. If the the Democrats controlled the public school system would they have allowed that?

Furthermore the whole idea that the Democrats are there to support "the ruling class" is a total farce.

If the Democrats were trying to benefit the ruling not the rest of America then why would they have tried to pass a tax on the rich last year?

If the Democrats were out to only benefit the rich why would they want to put regulations on their businesses that would harm the amount of money they can make for the sake of the environment or their workers?

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