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^ I don’t care what textbooks they use in Texas, America’s public schools are run by a group of central planners from Washington called the NEA. And they’ve been failing for at least 40 years. Homeschooled children are years ahead of government schools, and most private schools show the same difference. Every single solution by government wastes resources and time with declining quality.

I actually believe it matters not, which of the two models America uses. The majority kids in my school have the IQ of a house plant coupled with no motivational drive and will be content if the only skill they leave school with, is the ability to text without looking.
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^ I don’t care what textbooks they use in Texas, America’s public schools are run by a group of central planners from Washington called the NEA. And they’ve been failing for at least 40 years. Homeschooled children are years ahead of government schools, and most private schools show the same difference. Every single solution by government wastes resources and time with declining quality.

I actually believe it matters not, which of the two models America uses. The majority kids in my school have the IQ of a house plant coupled with no motivational drive and will be content if the only skill they leave school with, is the ability to text without looking.


Please actually read what someone says if you argue with them especially if your going to call your fellow students as dumb as house plants in the very next paragraph. All public schools in the country use Texas text books but off that point.

NEA is a union for teachers not a government organization for the planning of the public school system please do your research. There are no "central planners". In fact the United States schools system is extremely decentralized with most the major decisions being made by the local school district level. The main goal of the United States Department of Education is to make sure federal law is enforced within the public schools for example preventing racial discrimination in schools.

and this will be the last I'll be wasting on this topic. Hope you came out of this with something new.
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In case some people are wondering, social institutions are patterned set of behaviors and operations constructed by societies to satisfy basic human needs. For example, school, media, government, religion, families, are all institutions.

There are two theorist who have different opinions about the subject, there names are Durkheim and Marx.

Durkheim Theory: Social institutions system helps society achieve stability, it has an important function.

Marx Theory: Social institutions system is a tool used by those in power to control society and maintain dominance.

So basically, my quesion is, which theorist do you agree with and why?

BTW: If this is a duplicate thread, you can lock it.


I believe it depends on the society. 3rd world countries will be using Durkheim's theory, while super powers/1st world Marx's theory.

However food for thought---can't you stabilize a a society by manipulating it? In that case Marx's theory is the most accurate one.

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Lol. I don't think Marx applies at all to America.

Sure they can filter what we learn in school. Who gives a shit? Learn on your own, not like they teach enough anyway.

E: lol again. Why are we trying to figure out the ruling class? Of course it's the government, all members and all bodies that comprise it. It' the government, that's its job.


You can learn on your own why not? But then getting a degree is a must in any field these days, and when you step into a classroom, you are pretty much forced that teacher's analogy of the subject.

You can only just pray your teacher isn't a jehova's witness.
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trinkit wrote:

^ I don’t care what textbooks they use in Texas, America’s public schools are run by a group of central planners from Washington called the NEA. And they’ve been failing for at least 40 years. Homeschooled children are years ahead of government schools, and most private schools show the same difference. Every single solution by government wastes resources and time with declining quality.

I actually believe it matters not, which of the two models America uses. The majority kids in my school have the IQ of a house plant coupled with no motivational drive and will be content if the only skill they leave school with, is the ability to text without looking.


Please actually read what someone says if you argue with them especially if your going to call your fellow students as dumb as house plants in the very next paragraph. All public schools in the country use Texas text books but off that point.

NEA is a union for teachers not a government organization for the planning of the public school system please do your research. There are no "central planners". In fact the United States schools system is extremely decentralized with most the major decisions being made by the local school district level. The main goal of the United States Department of Education is to make sure federal law is enforced within the public schools for example preventing racial discrimination in schools.

and this will be the last I'll be wasting on this topic. Hope you came out of this with something new.


I agree with him, rules change for schools state to state, as well as in the state.

How do I know? Because I've moved state to state every other year. Needless to say teachers aren't out there to dumb down education for students. The problem is with the students themselves. With the onslaught of new technology grades have been dropping as kids pay less and less attention.
My professor himself mentioned it and he is almost 80 years old, teaching over 40+ years. Kids spend all their time on freaking tumblr and don't even pick up a book to study.
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Dont_Mind_Me wrote:
In fact the United States schools system is extremely decentralized with most the major decisions being made by the local school district level


And central planning policies like "No Child Left Behind" or "Race To The Top" dictate that decision making process. Local school districts don't have as much autonomy as has been suggested.





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I said I was done with this but whatever I'm having fun.

Please explain to me how the Unions and Democrats are using "No Child Left Behind" and "Race To The Top" in their plot to control people?

Also neither of those you listed have been around for 40 years for which you stated was the amount of time they've been "central planning".
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Yea I agree I think the biggest problem in the school system is there is no incentive for students to get good grades especially if they have no intention of going to college. There has to be some reason for kids to do good in school such as the threat of holding them back a year for bad grades. Otherwise they'll just coast through school texting on their phone knowing that they will graduate regardless of their grades.
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Yea I agree I think the biggest problem in the school system is there is no incentive for students to get good grades especially if they have no intention of going to college. There has to be some reason for kids to do good in school such as the threat of holding them back a year for bad grades. Otherwise they'll just coast through school texting on their phone knowing that they will graduate regardless of their grades.


YOLOOOOOO!!!
nah they all like acting "cool" and whatnot , i honestly don't know. Like dude how about both? Be in AND do you school work?

I do engineering and almost all my classmates are foreign, or have foreign parents. The ones that go to school around here and come out they usually go to art schools. At the end of the day we're leading a more poorer, dumber america because of them.
And then they blame indians & chinese ppl for taking their jobs.
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trinkit wrote:


Dont_Mind_Me wrote:
In fact the United States schools system is extremely decentralized with most the major decisions being made by the local school district level


And central planning policies like "No Child Left Behind" or "Race To The Top" dictate that decision making process. Local school districts don't have as much autonomy as has been suggested.







America is controlling our education system by making children dumber, while having the best universities in the world, and importing smart people from oversees to take your job.

Do you hear yourself?

The pursuit for education is in the hands on one's own self.

If anything I do think american culture does leave an impression in making its children stupid. But once you leave highschool its a different world out there. Universities don't take shit. And that, my friend, is the real world.
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My university has a lot of foreign engineers as well especially Saudi Arabians. They did tend to use their parents money to buy expensive cars then cheat on other students during tests because they never feel the need to study because there guaranteed a job back home. I hear this all day long from my engineering friends. I'm an International Business major so your going to get small rant from me sorry!

We are not exactly losing jobs to Indians and Chinese typically if they are going to "take a job" that is in the United States especially one that requires a university education they are going to come to the United States and try to become a citizen who pays taxes just like the rest of us. So I guess you can say we are taking other countries smart people so it doesn't matter if we become art majors.

Labor jobs going to other countries are another story that has less to do with education more about currency exchange and labor laws. Which benefit us by having the prices of consumer goods become cheaper. [/rant]
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trinkit wrote:

^ I don’t care what textbooks they use in Texas, America’s public schools are run by a group of central planners from Washington called the NEA. And they’ve been failing for at least 40 years. Homeschooled children are years ahead of government schools, and most private schools show the same difference. Every single solution by government wastes resources and time with declining quality.

I actually believe it matters not, which of the two models America uses. The majority kids in my school have the IQ of a house plant coupled with no motivational drive and will be content if the only skill they leave school with, is the ability to text without looking.


Most of the home-schooled kids I know are in the christian wave club at my university and from what I remember they still prefer creationism and believe evolution is a theory...

You want a job after you leave college? Don't waste your time pursuing a liberal arts or business degree. All the low skilled work has moved overseas.
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Ink-e wrote:

Lol. I don't think Marx applies at all to America.

Sure they can filter what we learn in school. Who gives a shit? Learn on your own, not like they teach enough anyway.

E: lol again. Why are we trying to figure out the ruling class? Of course it's the government, all members and all bodies that comprise it. It' the government, that's its job.


You can learn on your own why not? But then getting a degree is a must in any field these days, and when you step into a classroom, you are pretty much forced that teacher's analogy of the subject.

You can only just pray your teacher isn't a jehova's witness.


I'm doing just fine in high school (2360 SAT, 35 ACT, 4.2 GPA w/ weighted classes), I'll probably go to college. I'll get a degree. I spend more time studying outside my courses than in them. I honestly hope I begin to learn something of worth when I hit college.

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Ink-e wrote:


VeniVidiVici- wrote:


Ink-e wrote:

Lol. I don't think Marx applies at all to America.

Sure they can filter what we learn in school. Who gives a shit? Learn on your own, not like they teach enough anyway.

E: lol again. Why are we trying to figure out the ruling class? Of course it's the government, all members and all bodies that comprise it. It' the government, that's its job.


You can learn on your own why not? But then getting a degree is a must in any field these days, and when you step into a classroom, you are pretty much forced that teacher's analogy of the subject.

You can only just pray your teacher isn't a jehova's witness.


I'm doing just fine in high school (2360 SAT, 35 ACT, 4.2 GPA w/ weighted classes), I'll probably go to college. I'll get a degree. I spend more time studying outside my courses than in them. I honestly hope I begin to learn something of worth when I hit college.



See, you're doing great! Yeah , depending on your major, learning on your own on the side will give you make you much more ahead of your classmates at the end. They do not teach you everything you want to learn in college. You have to go after that yourself.
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