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Post Reply I give up, I *don't* get the Guilty Crown hate...*spoilers*
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People take the hate way out of proportion with this one. It's not great. Hell it's not even good. But it's alright! I somewhat enjoyed it kind of. It's a perfectly average, if not slightly above average anime. What's the big deal.
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It's funny, because 70% of the time people can't give a proper explanation on what they hate about it.
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I'm glad this thread was brought back to life. I literally just finished GC a couple of hours ago. And while, this isn't my favorite anime I've ever seen, but this series is not bad. GC has a lot of heart and hidden themes that aren't so apparent when you're watching it but you soon understand when you start to think about it later. For example, power. Power was a huge theme in this anime. I wondered how could some of these characters be so easily corrupted. I thought that it was because of their weak personalities. But I realized, it happens all the time in everyday life. Life isn't perfect and the characters were a symbol of that.

Addressing character development. Like the OP said, there was character development except it was very slow and not upfront, unlike other animes where it seems like characters can change in a episode. I'm going to keep on saying this, it's believable development and it shows how much emphasis this show puts on the idea of "being human"

I want to talk about the roller coaster that was Shu! I didn't really like him, but I couldn't help but feel for the guy. He was immature and was he wasn't ready for what happened to him and I feel that is how most people would have been if they were put in Shu's position. He's not the ideal hero that we see in typical media. He struggled immensely, which made his character really believable. Just like what Inori said, he's completely human.

Anyways, this quote says it all:



Everybody has their preferences and tastes, but just because a certain anime doesn't meet your standards doesn't mean it's a "DISGRACE! AN ABOMINATION!!!! IT NEEDS TO BE BURNED ON A STAKE!!!!" which a lot of haters seem to do.

All I got to say those people is fuck off.

We all understand that you may not have liked it (which is fine) but when you start to ridicule it by calling it names and give it unfair hate is when you're going too far.

At the end of the day, the anime isn't hurting your well being and people enjoying that anime aren't either.

Let's actually have a discussion and name its flaws without making it sound like it will make your eyes bleed and not make people feel guilty for liking it.
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It was simply overhyped before it came out and when the anime did not meet that hype's expectation, people started dubbing it a failure. Happens from time to time.

I never bought in to the pre-hype for Guilty Crown. Going into it with no expectations, I personally thought the anime was alright for the first half, then the second half it started going downhill. Things got crazy and stopped becoming enjoyable to watch. From my perspective I can certainly understand why someone wouldn't like Guilty Crowns. Although I wouldn't call it failure. I have seen bad animes.
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i didn't care for the show but that is one pretty picture you got OP. Simplicity ftw.

i loved the music and the show was pretty, but i didn't like the story or the characters. To each his/her own.
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I personally thought the anime was alright for the first half, then the second half it started going downhill.


People literally say the same thing about Sword Art Online...and I bet they'll say it about AoT too once that finishes up.

I think people just get bored of a series and the last 12 episodes just don't pack quite as much of a initial punch to them. When you see the first episode of a brand new series it's like *BANG*, a hook. Slowly that magic wears off as you start getting comfortable with everything, the story, the characters, and the flow.

I think it's all too often people think series start great then slowly get worse simply because you learn more about what's going on.
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Supercell doesn't suck! They may have received new members, but that doesn't mean they suck! Yanagi Nagi one of the original singers of Supercell had a phenomenal voice. And yes I sincerely mean "Phenomenal", so you bashing on the group is just your own opinion I personally think they are wonderful.
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genozstriker wrote:
I personally thought the anime was alright for the first half, then the second half it started going downhill.


People literally say the same thing about Sword Art Online...and I bet they'll say it about AoT too once that finishes up.

I think people just get bored of a series and the last 12 episodes just don't pack quite as much of a initial punch to them. When you see the first episode of a brand new series it's like *BANG*, a hook. Slowly that magic wears off as you start getting comfortable with everything, the story, the characters, and the flow.

I think it's all too often people think series start great then slowly get worse simply because you learn more about what's going on.


I thought GC was phenomenal of course supercell was good. I thought the artwork was amazing and i did also enjoy the story very much. I could not stop watching GC and ended up watching straight through until the very end. I thought it was amazing however their were some points that I think could have been better but overall I thought it was a great anime to watch. I will also agree with you zipzo the last 12 episodes did not seem to have the same effect as to when I started watching. I believe the last 12 episodes were kind of predictable and it seemed as though it was sputtering out about mid way through. Overall I did enjoy the anime a great deal and would recommend it to someone else.
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Posted 8/20/13

zipzo wrote:


genozstriker wrote:
I personally thought the anime was alright for the first half, then the second half it started going downhill.


People literally say the same thing about Sword Art Online...and I bet they'll say it about AoT too once that finishes up.

I think people just get bored of a series and the last 12 episodes just don't pack quite as much of a initial punch to them. When you see the first episode of a brand new series it's like *BANG*, a hook. Slowly that magic wears off as you start getting comfortable with everything, the story, the characters, and the flow.

I think it's all too often people think series start great then slowly get worse simply because you learn more about what's going on.


That's just Production I.G. reputation at work, they do that often. I think they kinda loose steam and just rev up for the next project by the end of a series.

I don't agree on that with Guilty Crown however, the ending really picked it up for me. I'd all out bash it if they kept the same pace they did at Mid-season for the ending. Of course, they ramped it up to 11.

The action sequences got longer and more elaborate, the detail and scale of the fights took a jump forward. The stakes for every character just raised to a believable level.

Shu Ouma was a disgusting character early on, but he was intended to be. He needed growth. While the early series kinda so-so'ed on his growth, having character interactions and choices happen "because the plot wanted them to" He still moved forward.

But the time the School-Lockdown Arc went on, I was on par for a while. Despite the stupidest of choices ever involving the Grading system and what not, his choices during this Arc were solid.

Everything after the School Arc was some Grade A stuff, but it played out like a Gundam Compilation Movie. Characters like Fake-Char Clone(also known as Kill'em All Tomino(I mean Daryl, not the creator of Gundam that's silly)) and Ayase had some amazing Scenes in that ending, but no character development or screen time to make an impact on the plot itself. It was an addition, a "Because we want more action" reason for it. You could have just ignored him, but no. They threw him in to fight him at the last minute since they wanted to do something with him.

Shu Ouma's fight with that random Kid was silly, and the reason for the Guilty Crown name of the anime was something they forgot to explain.

The fight with Shu and Mecha-Gai was pretty awesome, and the whole ending and everything with Inori worked wonders.

I keep saying, the series works as a popcorn flick.
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Posted 8/25/13 , edited 8/25/13
Just finished it. Honestly, Its not as bad as people pan it out to be. I liked it personally. Everyone compares this to Code Geass, but since I have yet to see that, It was all completely new to me, even if it is a rip-off of it.

That ending though could have been way better, even though it was a "happy" ending, it still could have been happier by
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Just finished it. Honestly, Its not as bad as people pan it out to be. I liked it personally. Everyone compares this to Code Geass, but since I have yet to see that, It was all completely new to me, even if it is a rip-off of it.

That ending though could have been way better, even though it was a "happy" ending, it still could have been happier by


Haters are just butthurt imo, this is true in all cases.
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Posted 8/25/13 , edited 8/25/13

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and the reason for the Guilty Crown name of the anime was something they forgot to explain.


Actually this was made to be quite clear, I'm not quite sure how it eluded you.

Shu becomes the king because of his power, but must learn to shoulder the guilt of the tragedy that befalls him and his friends (or the angst it created from his friends towards him during the school arc) as a result of using this power. This is why they refer to his abilities as the "kings power", so in metaphorical perfection he wears the "guilty crown". Him dealing with guilt is one of the most majorly apparent concepts of his character.

This just furthers my assumption that most people who fervently hate on Guilty Crown either didn't even pay attention or didn't even really understand it...
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Posted 8/25/13 , edited 8/25/13

zipzo wrote:


Felstalker wrote:

and the reason for the Guilty Crown name of the anime was something they forgot to explain.


Actually this was made to be quite clear, I'm not quite sure how it eluded you.

Shu becomes the king because of his power, but must learn to shoulder the guilt of the tragedy that befalls him and his friends as a result of using this power. This is why they refer to his abilities as the "kings power", so in metaphorical perfection he wears the "guilty crown". Him dealing with guilt is one of the most major concepts of his character.

I honestly think most people that disliked Guilty Crown didn't even properly understand it...


That may be the reason, once I had a feel for the show, I kinda figured out how 'Guilty Crown' worked its way as the title
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Posted 8/25/13

kaptainkooleio wrote:


zipzo wrote:


Felstalker wrote:

and the reason for the Guilty Crown name of the anime was something they forgot to explain.


Actually this was made to be quite clear, I'm not quite sure how it eluded you.

Shu becomes the king because of his power, but must learn to shoulder the guilt of the tragedy that befalls him and his friends as a result of using this power. This is why they refer to his abilities as the "kings power", so in metaphorical perfection he wears the "guilty crown". Him dealing with guilt is one of the most major concepts of his character.

I honestly think most people that disliked Guilty Crown didn't even properly understand it...


That may be the reason, once I had a feel for the show, I kinda figured out how 'Guilty Crown' worked its way as the title


It's not "may"...that is why it's called Guilty Crown. It's inarguable (as well as obvious).
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They explained the titles name late, not early.

It was a backtracking band aid type of explanation. it's because he's "King" of....."His power" that "only 3 can have...or something" and "can be stolen like command spells in Fate/series" because "I said so"

His friendship problems were also added rather late. They evolved his powers the moment they relalized him borrowing everybodys power required them to give everybody screen time, and they didn't want that.

The Shu + Inori relationship was rather nice. It got awfully close to the Yuno + Cry-baby relationship from Future Diary, but Shu managed to man up and make me like the ending. He did not however pull a "Bruce Campbell" and get away with both the girl, a robot arm, a shot gun, and a "Hail to the king" one-liner, as that would have pumped this anime up higher on my list.

But, I have a new reason why I hate Guilty Crown, and it's actually old but I remembered it today when my Inori Figma came in.

SHU OUMA DOESN'T HAVE A FIGMA!

The hell? I want the couple here! I'll be lucky if I find a Shu PVC at the next con, but just like my last con I'll just see Inori, Haru, Ayase, and Lolicon bait PvC's again. I mean, come on now! I know they sell but you're ignoring your hero again.

At least Sword Art Online, Attack on Titan, and Steins;Gate are getting their own Hero-Figma's.

One day, when they make a Shinji Ikari Figma, I'm going to buy him, then buy all the Eva Girls, because I'm tired of not having the full group. That's all I want, a full group!
Guilty Crown doesn't like itself enough to give Shu a Figma, even if I'm only going to buy it to have a little plastic Infinity +1 Sword, Shu Ouma's Sword stab the sky stance is just memorable.
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