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Is the anime industry in japan declining?
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Posted 5/5/13 , edited 5/5/13

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Decline ?, maybe during the recession .

But there was a thread like this not too long ago and someone did a statistical research and it shows its not.The production did not budge that much.Marketing is actually is very strong now as ever and finally the production companies are starting to reach a wider market outside Japan via the internet.

Maybe on sales here in the US is getting hit the most becuase of the recession and lead to loss and a lof of the Japanese companies that was here has left. ONly a few stayed and some are changing their sale model... to cut cost .



I believe the OP meant in the US and other places outside of Japan, from what I gather. What I mean is, the issue of a decline in anime. It's not happening in Japan (well, noticeably), that's for sure. Personally, I don't think statistical research means anything; it can always change the next day.

I also think what's he's talking about has nothing to do with decline or budget constraints. Shows ending and having shorter anime titles doesn't really say anything about a decline or budgeting issues, though I could be wrong about everything. So if I am I apologize.

All in all, anime isn't going to go away anytime soon and there is no use worrying about it.
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If we're just talking about the US, I think we're bound for a windfall after Pacific Rim, All You Need Is Kill, and Yukikaze.

Here's hoping that Richard Taylor finally gets to work on his Evangelion adaptation.
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If we're just talking about the US, I think we're bound for a windfall after Pacific Rim, All You Need Is Kill, and Yukikaze.

Here's hoping that Richard Taylor finally gets to work on his Evangelion adaptation.


The concept art looked really good.
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I don't necessarily think anime is in decline in Japan.

The industry will have its good moments and its bad moments. Between 2007 and 2010, I can't really remember very good anime that came out. However, now I am seeing shows like Fate/Zero, Attack on Titan, and Kuroko's Basketball that are all really good anime at the moment. Its all really a part of a cycle.

The only place where I think the industry has declined is with television. Anime used to be seen from tv and it exposed a lot of people to it. However, many have shifted over to the internet when it comes to viewing anime. As result, I am not sure the industry will attract as many western audiences like it did in the late 90s. Still, the industry will go on and do good things as well as bad.
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iashakezula wrote:

Decline ?, maybe during the recession .

But there was a thread like this not too long ago and someone did a statistical research and it shows its not.The production did not budge that much.Marketing is actually is very strong now as ever and finally the production companies are starting to reach a wider market outside Japan via the internet.

Maybe on sales here in the US is getting hit the most becuase of the recession and lead to loss and a lof of the Japanese companies that was here has left. ONly a few stayed and some are changing their sale model... to cut cost .



I believe the OP meant in the US and other places outside of Japan, from what I gather. What I mean is, the issue of a decline in anime. It's not happening in Japan (well, noticeably), that's for sure. Personally, I don't think statistical research means anything; it can always change the next day.

I also think what's he's talking about has nothing to do with decline or budget constraints. Shows ending and having shorter anime titles doesn't really say anything about a decline or budgeting issues, though I could be wrong about everything. So if I am I apologize.

All in all, anime isn't going to go away anytime soon and there is no use worrying about it.


in america? oh, hell yes. the recession and the antiquated business model of most american anime import companies nearly killed the industry here. it's still afloat though, because the few companies left managed to adapt and survive.
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It might be in Japan but it's only increasing in America and hasn't reached its peak yet. The question will be once they do, how will they keep people engaged.

Maybe the new Death Note Movie set to be released will help bring a new audience. Then again other films like DragonBall have failed so...once there's a successful Hollywood adaptation of a Anime-Manga similar to Harry Potter in terms of budget and scale along with the media hype, I don't think it'll happen.
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I think animes that don't already have a set ending (Bleach, Naruto, everything else that gets dragged along for over 50 episodes) should be broken up into seasons, like we do over here. 12-24 episodes, then a hiatus, then comes back just when its fans were starting to miss it. Gives both the staff and the fans time away so fatigue doesn't set in, time to recharge and get excited about it again, and more time and money to put into quality writing and animation so we don't get any more low-quality filler crap. No more abrupt cliffhanger endings. Just stop it and do like everyone else.

Look at Legend of Korra. Book 1 was 12 episodes and is hands down better than any anime in years.
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I would agree with the Legend of Korra part if only it was characterized officially as anime but meh, who cares about formalities. I consider it anime too.

And is it me or did Shingeki No Kyojin copy the 3D Maneuvering gear from Lin Beifong? If that's the case then Americans are becoming more creative than the Japanese in their own game. Unless it originated from anime to begin with?
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No, but they hire more and more korean artists every year it seems if you watch credits, and they do it to keep costs down..

If there is any kind of decline its the same kind that happens with a small chain of restaurants that goes big..they start to cut corners do things as cheap as possible.. it eventually shows in most things..

But people who have nothing better to do than complain about stuff, which is way to common, do technically have something to complain about and use as fuel to troll people or feed the trolls.

If you did any reading on why those animes ended you would know they ended due to manga issues. KHR also couldn't of been pulled off with the kiddy flavor the anime had after the future arc It turned more tv-14. Bleach will more than likely be back for a last crazy long ass arc when the manga gets far enough ahead.. Fairy Tail is all ready announced to come back I believe and they made a dam good choice there fillers probably dont get that many viewers you can only laugh at the jiggly butt gang so many times...

Go watch a different shonen anime... Shakugan no Shana.. Familiar of Zero, Accel World, Kenichi, Katanagatari, Kore wa Zombie Desu Ka, darker than black, full metal alchemist brotherhood, Rurouni Kenshin, highschool dxd, highschool of the dead, deadman wonderland ... you can find what you crave... Im not going to list hundreds of shonen anime. Once you realize the world of anime doesn't revolve around the long running series you will understand a lil better..

And japanese people treat otaku the same way American people treat several subcultures.. like fat people...hard core gamers ..,etc. They are stereotyped and media will be quick to say how bad what they do is or it caused (some sad tragedy). Which leads to mass believers in it without checking facts. Just like the huge christian campaigns to keep dungeons and dragons and other violent games from kids in the 90s..its the same thing, political crap that effects your fun, ignore it..unless your over there for professional reasons it has no effect on you. Hell look at the Australians laws on violent games these types of campaigns are effective..

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I think animes that don't already have a set ending (Bleach, Naruto, everything else that gets dragged along for over 50 episodes) should be broken up into seasons, like we do over here. 12-24 episodes, then a hiatus, then comes back just when its fans were starting to miss it. Gives both the staff and the fans time away so fatigue doesn't set in, time to recharge and get excited about it again, and more time and money to put into quality writing and animation so we don't get any more low-quality filler crap. No more abrupt cliffhanger endings. Just stop it and do like everyone else.

I agree with this.


Cyndrus wrote:

Look at Legend of Korra. Book 1 was 12 episodes and is hands down better than any anime in years.

Legend of Korra was really good. But "better than any anime in years"? Hell no.


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And is it me or did Shingeki No Kyojin copy the 3D Maneuvering gear from Lin Beifong? If that's the case then Americans are becoming more creative than the Japanese in their own game. Unless it originated from anime to begin with?

Negative; the first episode of Legend of Korra was on April 14, 2012. The first chapter of Attack on Titan was published back in September of 2009. If anything both of them "stole the idea" from Spiderman.

And if Spiderman didn't lift swinging around New York from the old Tarzan comics, I'm easily mislead.
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Negative; the first episode of Legend of Korra was on April 14, 2012. The first chapter of Attack on Titan was published back in September of 2009. If anything both of them "stole the idea" from Spiderman.

And if Spiderman didn't lift swinging around New York from the old Tarzan comics, I'm easily mislead.

I was talking about the actual gear itself and not the swinging action. I did see behind the scenes for Shingeki No Kyojin where they take the swinging references from Spiderman and Mountain climbing videos.

Although you did give the dates for each, LOK 2012 and AOT 2009, so that answers my question. Thanks for clearing that up.

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Cyndrus wrote:

Look at Legend of Korra. Book 1 was 12 episodes and is hands down better than any anime in years.

Legend of Korra was really good. But "better than any anime in years"? Hell no.



Oh hell yes. A million times.
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Cyndrus wrote:

Look at Legend of Korra. Book 1 was 12 episodes and is hands down better than any anime in years.

Legend of Korra was really good. But "better than any anime in years"? Hell no.

Oh hell yes. A million times.

Might be due to how we rate our shows, maybe. From what I remember I'd put it a step or two below the top for having excellent execution, nice art, worthwhile social commentary, alright not-protagonist-characters, etc. (Korra herself was awesome), but I don't remember it doing anything intrepid enough to give it that one final push to the very top of the list.

So I guess it was mostly held back by necessity by its target age group.

Anyway, sorry for the derail. I do think Legend of Korra was impressive and I wish more anime were of equal caliber.

But I also think it's hardly alone at the top of Mount Olympus.
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Insomnist


Cyndrus wrote:

Look at Legend of Korra. Book 1 was 12 episodes and is hands down better than any anime in years.

Legend of Korra was really good. But "better than any anime in years"? Hell no.

Oh hell yes. A million times.


Just gonna jump in here:

The pacing was off a bit and the romantic aspects were, how to say, shallow? It was good, for a start, but it wasn't great. Saying it's better than any anime in years is plain absurd though, just going to state that now.
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