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Posted 5/4/13 , edited 5/4/13


I took a look at this episode on my iPad, Evo 3D, and my laptop and the stuttering you mentioned is present on all. However, now that I have seen it on a device instead of through a recording, I wouldn't call this a stutter. In this particular scene, the video is not smooth because of the low frame rate used. You will notice that in panned scenes where they use CG, it is much smoother than when they use drawn cells. That is because CG scenes are typically rendered at 24 or 30 fps. (Early in the episode, there is a panned scene involving police cars and that is smooth because it was CG)

At least now you can know for sure that in this particular scene the lack of a smooth pan is how it is suppose to be and there is nothing wrong on your end. The rest of the show is going to be the same as well, unless they decide to completely change how they are animating the show.

I actually notice this kind of thing in a lot of shows, but because I know it is normal I never give it a second thought. Remember how I mentioned earlier that everyone has their own meaning for the word "stutter"? This is what I am talking about. I would not call this stutter, just a low frame rate to save money on animating the show. Very common. This is why I said it is important to give a sizable example of different shows, episodes, and scenes to compare to see if what you are actually experiencing is normal or if it is something of concern.

I even downloaded a RAW cap and it also looks the same to rule out any issues with the source video CR was given.
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There is definitely a difference though. There IS stutter like in the video when I am at home or at work. When I am at my friends in NH a vast majority of that stutter is gone.
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Posted 5/4/13 , edited 5/4/13

Erikdayo wrote:

There is definitely a difference though. There IS stutter like in the video when I am at home or at work. When I am at my friends in NH a vast majority of that stutter is gone.



Like I said, you need to give more examples. With the one example you gave us (Devil Survivor Episode 2 at that one scene), that stutter is inherent of the video and is suppose to be there. Without being able to look at other episodes and scenes for comparison, no one can make a judgement call of whether or not what you are seeing is actually a problem or not.

When a RAW cap or a fansub of the same episode produces the same exact type of uneven panning at that scene, then there is no way that it is a problem with the connection as the files are being played back locally from the hard drive. If there is any difference that someone is noticing it is a placebo.
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But it is NOT inherent in the video. It isn't there when I watch it at my friends. How many times do I need to repeat this? Maybe there is a tiny bit, but its not really noticeable. But when I am at home or work its unbearably bad.
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Posted 5/4/13 , edited 5/4/13

Erikdayo wrote:

But it is NOT inherent in the video. It isn't there when I watch it at my friends. How many times do I need to repeat this? Maybe there is a tiny bit, but its not really noticeable. But when I am at home or work its unbearably bad.


Then you must be seeing something I am not. I am strictly talking about that one scene in Dead Survival 2 that you recorded with your phone. On my laptop, Android Phone, iPad, PS3 the same type of stuttering occurs. I downloaded a RAW cap, and the same stuttering occurs. I then downloaded a fansub of the episode, and the same stuttering occurs. Even BK said that the same stuttering occurs in their own source video they received directly from the content provider. That means it HAS to be part of the original animation and can't be because of a connection or player problem.

Now, as for other scenes in different episodes or shows, I can't say what is causing it because I only have the one example you have provided so far of Dead Survival 2. If you could just provide more episodes and the times that the stuttering occurs, I and others could take a look at those episodes ourselves and see if the problems occurs to us as well. You don't even need to record them with your phone, just take note of the next time you see stuttering and write down the details so that we can take a look at it.



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Posted 5/4/13 , edited 5/4/13

I remember what he said. But I do not see that same sort of stutter on my iPhone or iPad whether at home or at my friends. The issue was with any laptop I tried while at home or work along with my PS3 and 360. iOS devices were somehow not noticeably affected by the issue. And again, I am not at home right now. When I watch the same scene the issue, for whatever reason, does not seem to occur.

As far as why the issue isn't occurring how with all the anime I have tried.. I do not know. That is what I am trying to figure out. Despite the seemingly better connection at home, why do I have major stutter issues at home when things are quite fluid where I am staying for the weekend? I do not quite get it. Hopefully the DNS settings will help.
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Don't forget to take into account that when viewing on a smaller screen (iPad/iPhone vs Laptop and TV) the effects are not going to be as pronounced. To account for this, you need to hold the screen real close to your face to make it "appear" larger. It is the same reason why something farther away appears to be traveling slower than something up close, even though it may actually be traveling at a faster rate. The same stuttering happens on my Evo 3D and my iPad, but it is less noticeable because of the fact the screen is smaller, but when looking at it very carefully the same amount of stuttering can still be seen. I know you said you didn't have a video cable for your iPad, but I bet if you did and hooked it up to your TV it would look the same as it does on the PS3.
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But when I watch the same episode on my friends PS3 the stutter is not prominent. That is what I am trying to solve. I want the playback at my house to be as solid as it is here. And when I watch the same episode on my personal laptop up here the stutter is also not prominent. But at home the stuttering is quite bothersome.

This is the mystery I am working to solve. Would be nice if some CR reps had suggestions.
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Erikdayo wrote:
I remember what he said. But I do not see that same sort of stutter on my iPhone or iPad whether at home or at my friends. The issue was with any laptop I tried while at home or work along with my PS3 and 360. iOS devices were somehow not noticeably affected by the issue. And again, I am not at home right now. When I watch the same scene the issue, for whatever reason, does not seem to occur.

One item that may be a factor is that encodes for the iOS app are limited to 480p.

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Interesting! I felt like on the iPad it looked better than 480p, probably, 720p, but I guess I was wrong.
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