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Post Reply Would you rather live in a fascist country or a socialist country?
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I'd prefer a socialist country. I'm not one for nationalism and I prefer the idea of working towards a better society rather than working towards a stronger state.
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Socialist. If it was perfected.
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Fascism is a system of zero tolerance with sometimes brutal military enforcement of laws. I'd much rather be in a socialist country, as at least I might find a kind of strength there.
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I'd rather be set ablaze and burnt to pure bone before living in either a pure Socialist or Fascist country. Both are absolutely heinous, degrading systems that eviscerate any shred of humanity and dignity.
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This question, in my opinion, isn't equally weighted. There's clearly favor for socialism when we are forced to compare it with the militant-style of fascism.
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In the real world both ideologies converge to the same eventuality; death, and lots of it.

Socialism's a nice idea though, so I'd go for that. Might even be perceived to work for a little while.
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They both suck, but if given a choice, I'd probably have to pick the socialist one.
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HeadofEraser wrote:

In the real world both ideologies converge to the same eventuality; death, and lots of it.

Socialism's a nice idea though, so I'd go for that. Might even be perceived to work for a little while.


i don't understand this statement.

Fascism, yes, you will have ethnic cleansing, a sharply adhered to class based system, etc. The ideals of socialism involve no classes. Just everyone working and everyone taking what they need to survive. The issues with socialism has nothing to do with death, but rather the quality of life. No one would die in an actual socialist country except for murder and natural causes. If everyone believed in the ideal that they lived, a socialist country is one of the few that might actually survive, but never change, never expand, never evolve.

A pure socialist society is much better than a pure capitalistic society at least. If you thought the ideals of socialism were far fetched, just wait til you get into the nitty gritty of the true ideals of capitalism. Above all other things, it's the one system that can never work. If you try to make capitalism work properly, you'd probably end up with enough rules to call it a socialism.
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They both suck, but if given a choice, I'd probably have to pick the socialist one.


Lets just make out our Utopian world :D
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Socialist. I don't understand Americas fear of socialism....other countries that are socialist are doing much better than we are. It works better than capitalism.
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It depends on what you mean by the words. The meaning of Facism changed to include a biological ethnicity component after being applied to Nazi Germany. The word Socialism has been miss-used for so long, that the meaning of the word has changed. Socialism used to be about complete control by the state, with no ownership of land, and the removal of class structure. Some see the removal of class structure as a good thing. All it really means is that the state lives high on the hog while all the citizens are made even poorer than the poorest were prior to Socialism. Of course, any opposition is met with death. The socialist state is rife with corruption, as well. It really isn't a system you would want to live under. At least with Facism, you wouldn't necessarily have to be barely eking by an extremely meager existence. If you were useful in a field that the Facist nation deemed to be worthy of a higher lifestyle, then you would be better off than as a citizen of a Socialist nation. Both systems are crap.
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ishe5555 wrote:

It depends on what you mean by the words. The meaning of Facism changed to include a biological ethnicity component after being applied to Nazi Germany. The word Socialism has been miss-used for so long, that the meaning of the word has changed. Socialism used to be about complete control by the state, with no ownership of land, and the removal of class structure. Some see the removal of class structure as a good thing. All it really means is that the state lives high on the hog while all the citizens are made even poorer than the poorest were prior to Socialism. Of course, any opposition is met with death. The socialist state is rife with corruption, as well. It really isn't a system you would want to live under. At least with Facism, you wouldn't necessarily have to be barely eking by an extremely meager existence. If you were useful in a field that the Facist nation deemed to be worthy of a higher lifestyle, then you would be better off than as a citizen of a Socialist nation. Both systems are crap.


Fascism was not changed to include a biological ethnicity component. By definition, it is the same as it has always been. You can't assign a new definition to a word just because it used to be against certain people. A fascist leader can, by definition, have total control and does not have to give any leeway to anyone of any particular ethnicity. Being in a fascist nation guarantees you nothing. A fascist leader can do whatever they please.

Socialism benefiting the citizens as a whole and not just those in government is one of the reasons why the ideal can never be realized (hence the if socialism was perfected comments).

Fascism
Noun
An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
(in general use) Extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.

Socialism
Noun
A political and economic theory of that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated...
(in Marxist theory) A transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.
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Aryth wrote:



Fascism was not changed to include a biological ethnicity component. By definition, it is the same as it has always been. You can't assign a new definition to a word just because it used to be against certain people. A fascist leader can, by definition, have total control and does not have to give any leeway to anyone of any particular ethnicity. Being in a fascist nation guarantees you nothing. A fascist leader can do whatever they please.


Mussolini started Fascism, not Adolf. There wasn't an ethnic cleansing component to Mussolini's facism.


Aryth wrote:
Socialism benefiting the citizens as a whole and not just those in government is one of the reasons why the ideal can never be realized (hence the if socialism was perfected comments).



Aryth wrote:Socialism
Noun
A political and economic theory of that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated...
(in Marxist theory) A transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.


Actually, Socialism is all about the government. Government control, specifically. Even by your definition below, it is about governmental regulation of essentially all aspects of the citizen's lives. It was supposed to evolve into communism. However, that is no more than a lie. A pretty lie to tell the citizens so they will allow their lives to be run by the state while tries to achieve this communism that will never happen and was never intended to happen. Communism is the bait in a bait and switch. And that is all it was ever supposed to be.


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A socialist one. Because I already DO live in a Welfare state and it is something that has positively saved my life.
I don't understand how anyone can claim it to be a bad thing.
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A socialist one. Because I already DO live in a Welfare state and it is something that has positively saved my life.
I don't understand how anyone can claim it to be a bad thing.


Does your nation have Workplace Democracy?
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