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old skool...
i love the datsun 510, and skyline kpcg10
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Hmm odd. Wonder if the original post is a Troll.
American Muscle cars were topping 120 MPH back in the 50's.

Here is one that got Outlawed from Daytona. The wings and nose had no effect on performance on anything less than 90 MPH, It's top speed with the production setup of the 440 cu Engine and the Holly Six pack Carb was in excess of 200 MPH.

The 1970 Plymouth Roadrunner Superbird.



Posted 3/3/10
OMG .. OMG XD
i love old caaaars
i wish to had one from 50-60 .. heheheh
they are so beautiful
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I like the designish and often very speaking design of those old cars most of the times. But the superbird above just looks silly IMO :P
But at least that one's built with a purpose and not soulely for the looks.

The thing that bothers me is that back in those days they really exaggerated the size of those blocks and seemingly forgot to look at the power-ccm ratio. I mean... a 6,5 liter that pulls out 550 bhp?
A 4-year-old VW Golf TSI pulls 150 BHP out of a 1.4 litre 4-cylinder engine. Of course, technology has advanced and it's only natural that there has been this kind of development but I alwats get the feeling that those American musclecars with >440 cu. are totally over the top and could have/should have been more powerful in their days. They just didn't bother to improve the blocks they were working with?
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animonXD wrote:

I like the designish and often very speaking design of those old cars most of the times. But the superbird above just looks silly IMO :P
But at least that one's built with a purpose and not soulely for the looks.

The thing that bothers me is that back in those days they really exaggerated the size of those blocks and seemingly forgot to look at the power-ccm ratio. I mean... a 6,5 liter that pulls out 550 bhp?
A 4-year-old VW Golf TSI pulls 150 BHP out of a 1.4 litre 4-cylinder engine. Of course, technology has advanced and it's only natural that there has been this kind of development but I alwats get the feeling that those American musclecars with >440 cu. are totally over the top and could have/should have been more powerful in their days. They just didn't bother to improve the blocks they were working with?


HP sells cars, torque wins races

On a far more serious note, I used to thing HP/liter was important, that the higher HP/liter, the better. Well, turns out higher HP/liter means reduced reliability. Those ridiculous American muscle cars may have gigantic engines, but they do it reliably.

And really, what's more important is the HP and torque that comes out, not the HP/liter.
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Of course HP/liter tells nothing about performance, but that's not what I meant to say at all.

I'm just saying that IMO back in the day cars were built that could have easily been more powerful (they have the size to push out alot more) and still perform reliably. It seems like no one tried to pull out the full potential of these engines.

Plus, a big engine does not per definition equal a reliable engine. Building quality is everything.

In the same way, a small powerfull block does not per definition equal an unreliable block. VW Golfs (the one I used as example in my previous post) are durable and reliable. Pretty fuel-efficient, too.
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Posted 3/6/10

animonXD wrote:

I like the designish and often very speaking design of those old cars most of the times. But the superbird above just looks silly IMO :P
But at least that one's built with a purpose and not soulely for the looks.

The thing that bothers me is that back in those days they really exaggerated the size of those blocks and seemingly forgot to look at the power-ccm ratio. I mean... a 6,5 liter that pulls out 550 bhp?
A 4-year-old VW Golf TSI pulls 150 BHP out of a 1.4 litre 4-cylinder engine. Of course, technology has advanced and it's only natural that there has been this kind of development but I alwats get the feeling that those American musclecars with >440 cu. are totally over the top and could have/should have been more powerful in their days. They just didn't bother to improve the blocks they were working with?


The difference between then and now is, as you mentioned, the advancement of technology. Current camshaft and cylinder head design is light years ahead of back then. Speaking specifically of American V8's in terms of performance, the GM "LS" engine is the badass of the block. The current LS3 makes 430 hp on pump gas, has a docile idle and great rush-hour traffic manners. Those power number from a simillarly sized small block in the 60's-70's would've gotten you a ill-mannered, high octane gulping motor. The LS3/L92's use a cylinder head design that was used primarily on big block engines just a few years ago.
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Yep, you're totallt right.

I was watching this lately:http://www.revell.com/model-kits/engines/85-8883.html

After looking through the instruction manual my mind started wondering how cool it would be to fit a V8 with DOHC's and stuff... You'd make a lean mean racing machine (that needs to be finetuned every few miles probably )

Can you imagine something like a big block Hemi DOHC with a VTEC-like technology in it? It'd definitely GO but you'd have a cilinder head that'd freak out even Rick James I'm afraid,
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animonXD wrote:

Yep, you're totallt right.

I was watching this lately:http://www.revell.com/model-kits/engines/85-8883.html

After looking through the instruction manual my mind started wondering how cool it would be to fit a V8 with DOHC's and stuff... You'd make a lean mean racing machine (that needs to be finetuned every few miles probably )

Can you imagine something like a big block Hemi DOHC with a VTEC-like technology in it? It'd definitely GO but you'd have a cilinder head that'd freak out even Rick James I'm afraid,


OK, not big-block HEMI, but there are already American V8 engines with variable-valve timing technology and DOHC.

Can you elaborate why a cylinder head would freak out? The fact that there's 4 camshafts?
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Well, I was thinking partly because a HEMI already has an unconventional head due to the sparkplugs being in the dead center of the cylinders. And because there'd need to be two camshafts in both heads. This 'd mean you'd have to incorporate bearing surfaces for the camshafts in the heads and valve covers.

Plus, there'd have to be one or two distribution belts- or chains running from the crankshaft to the camshafts.

I think this all would be fairly more difficult then just using pushing rods to dictate the valves.

Although I must say I never knew there actually were V8's with variable valve timing and DOHC's
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Posted 3/7/10

AWDfreak wrote:


animonXD wrote:

I like the designish and often very speaking design of those old cars most of the times. But the superbird above just looks silly IMO :P
But at least that one's built with a purpose and not soulely for the looks.

The thing that bothers me is that back in those days they really exaggerated the size of those blocks and seemingly forgot to look at the power-ccm ratio. I mean... a 6,5 liter that pulls out 550 bhp?
A 4-year-old VW Golf TSI pulls 150 BHP out of a 1.4 litre 4-cylinder engine. Of course, technology has advanced and it's only natural that there has been this kind of development but I alwats get the feeling that those American musclecars with >440 cu. are totally over the top and could have/should have been more powerful in their days. They just didn't bother to improve the blocks they were working with?


HP sells cars, torque wins races

On a far more serious note, I used to thing HP/liter was important, that the higher HP/liter, the better. Well, turns out higher HP/liter means reduced reliability. Those ridiculous American muscle cars may have gigantic engines, but they do it reliably.

And really, what's more important is the HP and torque that comes out, not the HP/liter.


You'll be surprised of how many ppl out who still think HP/Liter is so much important and the only factor they consider when buying a car...

I mean yeah, 200hp for a 2liter honda civic is nice, but for only 2liters? thats not much bragging rights.
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Posted 3/8/10 , edited 3/8/10

animonXD wrote:


Although I must say I never knew there actually were V8's with variable valve timing and DOHC's

Some of the current GM LS's(which I obviously love....) have variable valve timming. Actually back in the early-mid nineties Chevrolet was using a 5.7L 4-cam V8 in the original Corvette ZR1.

Later units made 405 hp. Paltry by todays Corvette power numbers..........

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Posted 3/9/10
Holy shit... now that's a massive chunk of technology :P

Looks pretty sophisticated to me... but still the 5.7L still sounds kinda repellant to me.
But ah well... these cars aren't soulely meant to be commuters anyway so I shouldn't babber on about it.
It's an effing cool block! 4 cam 32 valve
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Posted 3/29/10

ninjaxvanish wrote:

1950 Mercury Custom Coupe would be my old school ride. i seen this car in the 1986 movie Cobra - Sylvester Stallone and i still think this is a fly looking ride till this day. just my opinion




this is a better mercury
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lasthope05 wrote:

I love the old Lamborghini Countach's.



that lamborghini can't measure up to this gt40
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