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Legal Implications of Anime Pirating
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Not sure? maybe. Who are These people? and what is the specific circumstance. I do not consider it morally or even legally wrong to watch a stream of an anime you own in another format even if that format was acquired illegally by a third party. If I paid for the disc I can watch it anyway I want. Legal or Not, I don't begrudge any premium member watching a CR anime that isn't available in their country any way they can. They paid the same fee that I, a lucky North American, did. I'm ambivalent about shows that aren't available on CR but only mildly so. I honestly find it hard to feel sorry for companies that refuse to harness an obvious market. It's access not cost that causes me to be tempted to visit illegal sites.



"These people" are the people who pirate anime. The question was trying to point out that some CR users ONLY loathe people who pirate anime that CR licenses, spewing out things like 'You should support CR or never watch anime.' but when another anime like One Piece is named, since it does not air with CR, the very people who insulted others acts like as if it's a completely normal thing and they don't care. I find this a bit flawed because you're pirating either way if it's a CR anime or not. It's just that the CR society is sometimes very weirdly polarized and I can't find much sense in them.
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1. I don't know for certain, but it's most likely extremely unlikely.

2. Yes, and I believe that they already do; however, it's pointless if they don't care enough to enforce the laws.

3. Morally? Yes, but it's hardly horrendous. Legally? Of course. Pirating is pirating, after all. I consider streaming/downloading anime to be a minute offense. As Kikusui10 said...

If its anyone`s fault its the anime industry for blocking everything in regions and doing very little to increase it outside of japan.

4. Somewhat. My rather blasé attitude toward the subject is due to my awareness of pirating being all but a fact of life. The concept of piracy has been around for thousands of years. Regardless of whether or not it takes place on the Internet, it should be expected.
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Posted 5/11/13

Gyava wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Not sure? maybe. Who are These people? and what is the specific circumstance. I do not consider it morally or even legally wrong to watch a stream of an anime you own in another format even if that format was acquired illegally by a third party. If I paid for the disc I can watch it anyway I want. Legal or Not, I don't begrudge any premium member watching a CR anime that isn't available in their country any way they can. They paid the same fee that I, a lucky North American, did. I'm ambivalent about shows that aren't available on CR but only mildly so. I honestly find it hard to feel sorry for companies that refuse to harness an obvious market. It's access not cost that causes me to be tempted to visit illegal sites.



"These people" are the people who pirate anime. The question was trying to point out that some CR users ONLY loathe people who pirate anime that CR licenses, spewing out things like 'You should support CR or never watch anime.' but when another anime like One Piece is named, since it does not air with CR, the very people who insulted others acts like as if it's a completely normal thing and they don't care. I find this a bit flawed because you're pirating either way if it's a CR anime or not. It's just that the CR society is sometimes very weirdly polarized and I can't find much sense in them.


Well most people prattle on about supporting anime. One way to do that relatively painlessly is to pay for a premium membership. Some think that enduring the commercials that a 'free' member must endure is payment enough. Funny thing though. I'm the opposite since the Stakehold along with and/through Crunchyroll has got their money (which is what matters to them) I feel free to watch a CR anime anywhere I find it. Afterall I've paid for it.


Posted 5/11/13

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Elektrawnik wrote:

Do you even torrent?


Not anymore, ISP caught me.


Try Deluge, and DO NOT seed for very long.
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You know, hollywood movies and american tv-shows are one thing, but American licensed anime and unlicensed anime aren't really that affected by pirating, actually I think pirating (outside of japan anyway) helps anime.

CR and Funimation stream a lot of the stuff, and actually people probably watch the anime that is available on these sites, on these sites because it is less of a hassle than finding it to pirate.

The series people download illegally, are either old and its difficult to find dvds of them, or they aren't streamed legally. Whatever the case, I do not think that actually persecuting people for downloading this stuff would help the anime industry at all, it would actually hurt it. Pirate sites for anime introduce anime to people outside of Japan, the good animes gain fans, and true fans will support the animes by buying dvds. Without access to this anime for a reasonable price (crunchyroll's 7 bucks a month, or illegally free) most people would probably not bother risking buying an anime on dvd that they do not know.

And actually I am pretty sure that the people who don't buy dvds because they can get the animes for free, would still not buy dvds even if they could not get the animes for free. I'm also sure that people who do buy anime dvds after illegally downloading episodes, would not have bought those dvds if they did not watch the series before hand. Also even though pirating is running rampant, and only a small percentage of pirates get caught, somehow the anime industry is still thriving.

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1. Close to nothing. Obviously it depends on location, but still a low chance. On another note, uploaders are more likely to get caught than downloaders.

2. Yes i actually do think some effort should be made to avoid pirating, but not unless they work on releasing much more anime. We need more sites with lots of anime available and good streaming for a decent price.

3. I used to feel a tiny bit guilty before when i contributed nothing, but keeping a subscription to CR and then watching anime when i want, wherever i want, doesnt feel wrong. If its anyone`s fault its the anime industry for blocking everything in regions and doing very little to increase it outside of japan. I will keep going as i am until they change and make me convinced its not pointless to do otherwise.


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What are the chances of one being even caught?

Depends how you do it (some are more risky that others), but the odds are against it.
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If the answer to the above is none or barely any, do you think that there should be an effort made by the anime industry to enforce some sort of an anti-anime piracy law?

I doubt an anime specific law would all that useful, but there is already plenty of lobbying for various measures on anti-piracy in general.



Do you think it's alright (morally or legally) for these people to download/stream illegal anime that is NOT licensed by Crunchyroll? I've seen a lot of posts that insult others for pirating anime that CR actually does license, but I haven't seen someone criticize another for illegally watching anime that CR does not license.

I don't have any problems with it, or rather I don't care that much. As long as they want to play games that artificially limit availability, I can't muster much sympathy. Clearly there are people willing to give them money for their content if given a chance.

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I think they sell enough swag to not worry about people downloading the series illegally. I've spent over $1200 on Evangelion shit that I don't need. Statues, shirts, books, posters, fucking silverware
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Posted 5/12/13

Gyava wrote:

I've used Crunchyroll ever since I started watching anime, but there are some anime titles that it does not license.

Most of the people I know who watch anime all illegally watch anime on other sites (will not name them due to CR rules) but of course have never been caught in their life. Moreover, I don't think they will ever get caught with the hundreds of episodes they have stored in their computers. Unlike downloading regular cinematic movies that come out in theaters, people have no fear of downloading or streaming anime at all.

I personally just try watching anime wherever I can get it legally outside of CR at places such as Netflix.

1. What are the chances of one being even caught?

2. If the answer to the above is none or barely any, do you think that there should be an effort made by the anime industry to enforce some sort of an anti-anime piracy law?

3. Do you think it's alright (morally or legally) for these people to download/stream illegal anime that is NOT licensed by Crunchyroll? I've seen a lot of posts that insult others for pirating anime that CR actually does license, but I haven't seen someone criticize another for illegally watching anime that CR does not license.

4. If you ever did or still illegally stream/download anime, do you feel guilty about it?


1. You can't be cought if you're carefull enaugh. You can use proxys and other tools. Also piracy went one step ahead with Magnet Link...
Also theres bigger chance to be cought if you illegaly download music or movies than anime. Actually the music industry is the biggest pirates enemy.
2. I don't know if that would work anyway. My opinion is that anime industry is not as strong as music and western film industry so if those to can't do anything about piracy except making pressure on goverments the anime industrey has even less chance.
3.Hmm. It depends. In some countries anime aren't available as in those in which animes are popular. As for websites like CR it depends on region in which you live. Actually there is less anime available for the same price so you're forced to take another way. Also it's not all that bad. In those countries that anime is alomst unkown or unavailable are torrents important part of advertising anime. Funsubbers are also spreading popularity of anime. And it eventually comes to that point that when animes become popular then anime market grows. It's allways like that that people will buy original if they like something.
4. As for myself I did illigally downloaded anime and still do. I don't feel guilty about it. I'm part of funsubb group in my country so I actually help anime industry. Don't get me wrong. I'd rather buy it if I could. Also I'd pay for premium mebership but as I said before in my region CR laks anime so it's not worth to spend money for almost nothing...
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1. There is a really low chance of being caught. If it's anyone it'll be the uploader who get's caught.

2. No, not because it shouldn't be there, but because when someone pirates anime it's due to there not being a legal way to see it and thats the fault of the people back in japan.

3. Like i said if there is no way to watch it that's japans fault, but if there is a legal way then there is no reason, it would just be plain pirating and that is very bad.

4. yeah a bit, that's way i try to watch all my anime on CR and netflix or just buy it. But again if there is no way and it looks unlikely that there will be a way then yeah i'll stream it.
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Piracy is disrespectful to the original creators, which is why I've always been against it. Basically you're telling the creators that they can't decide the circumstances for how people view their works. The twisty reasoning to justify piracy has become so ingrained in Western fandom, though, that you can't really reason with people about it. If only the anime industry had protected their copyrights upfront, like Nintendo did for video games back in the 80's, then maybe the culture would be totally different and fans would have an expectation that they're supposed to pay in order to enjoy their media. But that didn't happen, and now the anime industry basically has to give their AAA content away for free in the West just to compete with the pirates. That's what happens when you have an emboldened and unrestricted culture, though.
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My question is on the legality of downloading anime which is not licensed in your region. I wonder how illegal or otherwise it actually is
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1. What are the chances of one being even caught?

- Basicly 0, theres not enough reason or resources for anyone to actively go out and hunt people who watch anime illegally

2. If the answer to the above is none or barely any, do you think that there should be an effort made by the anime industry to enforce some sort of an anti-anime piracy law?

No, not at all.
Why? Its rather simple to be honest, where i live (Denmark if you dont bother to look to the left) theres barely any licensed animes / manga at all, those who are licenced and that i've felt was worth the purchase i have, like Dragonball etc etc. But other animes like Shigurui (One of my fav animes) isn't licenced anywhere legally. So should i've just waited for that to happen? im pretty sure it wouldnt ever happen, and if it finally happend the whole story would be far worse then ever because of censorship (Feel free to check it out, and tell me if you think it'll pass any form of censorship)

So basicly what im saying is : Illegal distribution etc actually helps the market, sure they may not make money from it, but if they do a good job, heck i'd even import it from Japan (which im already planning on doing with Shigurui when the manga is finished) simply just to support the author.

Its the same thing everywhere else, you could possibly read this (although its about DRM and games, the same concept more or less applies) http://tommyrefenes.tumblr.com/post/45684087997/apathy-and-refunds-are-more-dangerous-than-piracy

3. Do you think it's alright (morally or legally) for these people to download/stream illegal anime that is NOT licensed by Crunchyroll?

Well there are other places you can watch anime legally, not just CR.
But yes i think its alright, it promotes anime and i feel the limited amount of anime that can be legally watched anywhere in europe is quite poor and i've already watched what i feel is worth watching of them.

Also consider those people who might not like the animes that are licensed and if that was the only thing available to them, they might not even get into anime which is an ever greater loss, with more available animes to watch theres clearly going to be a bigger audience so legally? no, morally? yes, but online legal issues are imo redundant as they dont have the resources to ensure them being upheld.

4. If you ever did or still illegally stream/download anime, do you feel guilty about it?

No, not at all. If theres something i really enjoy i will support the author in anyway i can, even if its just buying some random plushies from japan or buying the full series.

If its bad ? well im glad i got to try it out without wasting money needlessly so i can actually support what i feel is good and i wanna support.
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I personally think it's fine to stream anime that HASN'T been licensed by anyone at all- if I followed a manga and the anime came out, I'd hate to wait a few months to a year to watch it.
For example, the show Ookiku Furikabutte came out 2007 and Funimation licensed it in 2009.
And I understand downloading anime to make AMVs or stuff like that.
I just don't download it no matter how much I want to make an AMV. It's not worth the viruses that could come with it o_o
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Not so true places like this that started off with bootleg copys turn right around and attack others.
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2011/09/21/crunchyroll-tv-tokyo-sue-13-youtube-anime-uploaders
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