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Posted 5/16/13 , edited 5/16/13
As I tought to the japanesse "worldwide" means US & Canada only...

Shows unavailable in my country: Madoka, SAO (*) y Lupin III

Shows available in my country: Gundam Z (just English dubed...?), Gundam Seed and The prince of tennis.

(*) So SAO are available to Latin America on Crunchyroll but not on Daisuki...

Well, it seems that despite of their limitations Crunchyroll continue being the best option here. Moreover, I can watch shows with spanish subtitles on Crunchyroll.
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agila61 wrote:
Since they are Japanese based, the pay by episode / series is likely to be pay for streaming access rather than downloads, since customers in Japan have been trained to accept pay for streaming access. That could be a speed bump for Daisuki, since pay for episode / series access in the US is mostly on cable, with pay for download more common for Western Internet pay by episode / series (PSN, Xbox Live, Vudu, Amazon, Google, B&N's Nook Video).

From their FAQ:



Q: I am planning to replace my computer. Can I play these previously purchased videos on a new one?

A. You can play them as long as you use a computer environment which allows you to sign in DAISUKI. You can watch them via [Video History] in [MyDAISUKI].

That could be construed as implying the videos are streamed from the site, but then then the next one is this (bold for emphasis):

I cannot play a video that I have purchased previously.

All downloaded videos have an expiry. Once expired, they can no longer be played.
Please check the term of validity before making the purchase.
The expiration count down starts, on an hourly basis, from the point when you complete the payment.

The problem here is that we could be dealing with a mis-translation. (The language seems a bit stilted to be from a native speaker). Even though they clearly say "downloaded", I wouldn't be surprised if they were still referencing streaming.

Whether streaming or download, however, it does appear one will only be renting, not buying. It also appears you need to be online to view any purchased videos, which would mean no downloading to your notebook and then viewing somewhere you don't have access to Wi-Fi. If it only requires a connection to ping the server for authorization, however, and the video actually resides locally, it would at least be useful when switching to a bandwidth starved or capped connection.

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koningdavid wrote: I wonder what kind of contract blocks the series for the Netherlands. No company has licensed the series here. It's also peculiar that these contract never create problems for the US and Canada but always create problems for other countries.

Since the site includes ad-streaming as part of its business model, it obviously is not going to include titles if they can't get North American rights.

If Europe really was a single market for media, it would likely have as strong a streaming ad market as the United States does, but if ifs and buts were candies and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas ... it isn't, and so the streaming ad market in the EU lags behind the US.

As far as what kind of contracts can create those conflicts ~ that would be if different companies are assigned different international licensing rights by the production committee. We normally don't know whether or not there is that kind of core problem, where the international streaming rights are not held by a single company.


Anyway, It's a horrible way for Daisuki to start.

I think it really does rest on One Piece. If One Piece is available with broad region access, where region blocking is because of the series already being licensed in that country, then the massive region blocking by Aniplex will not end up dominating people's perspective. If One Piece is put up North America only, the complaints will pile up sky high.



Which series ARE available in the Netherlands?

The remaining series on Daisuki: The prince of tennis and the two Gundam series.

Thanks for that ~ so its not JUST Sunrise that has broader region access, its also NAS. So basically its two good, two bad, two not yet known.


TheAncientOne wrote: Whether streaming or download, however, it does appear one will only be renting, not buying. It also appears you need to be online to view any purchased videos, which would mean no downloading to your notebook and then viewing somewhere you don't have access to Wi-Fi. If it only requires a connection to ping the server for authorization, however, and the video actually resides locally, it would at least be useful when switching to a bandwidth starved or capped connection.

Yes, Flixster downloading is like that ~ I was able to watch a downloaded movie on my Android player on a Greyhound bus coming back to NE Ohio from Columbus, because the bus had limited WiFi support at the beginning of the trip. It was not enough to stream a video, but was plenty to get the permission to start playing the downloaded file. And the WiFi dropped out, but the movie continued to play, so it was just a contact at the beginning to get authorization.

But I expect since its all being done from Japan with Japanese expectations, it'll be pay to stream, even though it seems that most of the successful pay to stream systems in the US have used all you can eat pricing.
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Yes, it starts out with a partial quote of a tweet I made when Humberto tweeted that writing a balanced review was proving difficult.

I suggested:

It sucks pretty badly at the moment, but early days yet & with some work it could be great! #anime

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WTF I was under the impression that because this site is actually run directly by the studios that it would have no region restrictions.

If they too have restrictions then what is the point in it being run by the studios themselves, I mean surely the people who made the damn thing should have no problems making it worldwide?

I will keep an eye on it but I don't think it will get nearly as big as CR and if they are going to implement region restrictions then they should not even show me the show instead of letting me click on it and then get an error message which does not even mention the reason why I cannot watch it.

Also one more thing, why does it have a region restriction on Sword Art Online?
I would have thought that since the license CR has is pretty much worldwide for that show it would make no sense for Aniplex themselves to put a restriction on it for a site they themselves own a stake it.


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hickey1992 wrote: WTF I was under the impression that because this site is actually run directly by the studios that it would have no region restrictions.


Three things:

(1) If somebody else signed exclusive rights to a show in some region, then THAT country needs to be blocked. Just because you are the licensor doesn't mean you can ignore the exclusive rights that you have granted to somebody.

(2) Also, these are catalog titles, so there's no guarantee that the international rights are actually consolidated: its possible for a production committee to hand international rights for different parts of the world to different licensors. That's probably not the case for more recent stuff, but for '97 Lupin, who the heck knows.

(3) Just because they can doesn't mean they will ~ and since its a partnership, its not like there's anybody to lean on (say) Aniplex to act more like (say) Sunrise, because the site is a vehicle for Aniplex and Sunrise to stream content. Even though its weird to access content by knowing which licensor its coming from ~ its likely that the Sunrise, Aniplex, NAS, TMS and Toei sections are going to reflect different strategies of the different companies.


If they too have restrictions then what is the point in it being run by the studios themselves, I mean surely the people who made the damn thing should have no problems making it worldwide?


See above ~ the clean piece of paper will be the simulcasts, and since they are starting mid-season, Summer will be the first time we see how the different studios pure strategies, without any legacy entanglements.


I will keep an eye on it but I don't think it will get nearly as big as CR and if they are going to implement region restrictions then they should not even show me the show instead of letting me click on it and then get an error message which does not even mention the reason why I cannot watch it.

That's a big part of what is bad about the site ~ when there are region restrictions, its just a video error, they don't even tell you its because of region restrictions. They don't say which countries can see which series. That's all just a mess, where the way to find out what the restrictions are is to ask different people from different countries which ones they can see.


Also one more thing, why does it have a region restriction on Sword Art Online?

Ask Aniplex ~ that's quite strange. Only Sunrise gets region distribution right, only NAS uses the softsubs ... its like each company is using the site differently.
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I think right now Daisuki realizes it's subpar and is hoping to keep people around with the prize giveaway while they bring it up to snuff.
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Well I signed up and got an account. We'll see how it turns out as it is pretty messy at the moment.

Wish the Asuna figurine they have wasn't the nendoroid version. Wish it was the one that actually looked like the anime/manga Asuna. Opted for the Saber figurine instead.
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I wish I could contact the author to discover what method was used to determine Gundam Seed was only 360p, as my investigation shows 480p. I checked it again a bit earlier with the same result.

Frankly, I wonder if the author simply assumed all the videos were in 360p, and specifically made note of Seed because of the "HD Remaster" in the title.

Oddly, the default size of the video frame is somewhat larger than that (although it appeared to match the resolution of the one ad I've seen), which means there is inevitable degradation of the quality caused by slight scaling. Most people will watch full screen, however, so I am not to concerned about it, but it is odd.

Prince of Tennis was apparently upscaled to match the default video frame size, as it shows a resolution of 896 x 504 (meaning the sidebars are encoded in the video). As I recall, that was also the resolution of the ad, although it hasn't played for me again, so I have been unable to verify that. By contrast, Lupin and Gundam Z showed as 640x480 (meaning no video bandwidth is wasted encoding black bars).

Something really weird is the resolution shown for SAO and PMMM: 1440 x 808.

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I hope they get some exclusive shows on that were never on legal streaming sites yet, like Cowboy Bebob

Eh? But Cowboy Bebop shows on the Adult Swim site.

And yeah, I've been wanting to check this site out. Would be nice to see content that doesn't have other outlets.
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lolitsronald wrote:
I hope they get some exclusive shows on that were never on legal streaming sites yet, like Cowboy Bebob

Eh? But Cowboy Bebop shows on the Adult Swim site.

And yeah, I've been wanting to check this site out. Would be nice to see content that doesn't have other outlets.


idk but its on the list of anime that you can vote on for wanting to be in there.
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Looks like Aniplex expanded the available regions for their series on Daisuki. I can now watch Madoka and SAO. This is great! I guess the region locking of the Aniplex titles was just a configuration mistake. Well, I've got more faith in Daisuki now.

So for anyone who couldn't watch the Aniplex titles on Daisuki: Try again now.

Lupin III, however, is still unavailable for me.
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Well dunno bout other folks, but tried all the series here in Ireland (we generally get the same stuff as the UK) and all shows bar Lupin worked ( and people saying shows got unblocked shortly after launch means it might be viewable soon). Only got one ad too (30 second Naruto Storm 3 vid on the first video I watched).

Was really just interested in Daisuki for Madoka and One Piece: one of which I can watch and the other is coming soon so thumbs up from me so far. Also my connection can barely handle 480p so if vids arent running at 103759374927p or whatever people are whinging about, doesnt bother me
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I may just sign up just to vote on what I want to see next. Especially ARMORED HUNTER MELLOWLINK of which is an older show that I still think is pretty cool to see how a guy and a huge gun that holds only 3 armor piercing bullets can take down a Votoms mech every episode. Otherwise, between Hulu and Crunchyroll, I've already got a full plate of things I want to watch.

Although, having been around awhile I've seen companies like this come and go. So far this one seems like the type that thinks fans will flock to them just because "it's coming directly from the companies in Japan" with no real understanding about how business works outside of Japan. Otherwise, they would at least have hired someone to smooth out the stilted English on the site.
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