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But daisuki doesn't have this magical line

This video is not available outside of the US and Canada

Btw. Vevo's also came today to my country ;)

Or wait it has some region restriction after all? If yest their idea of the world is very narrow
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ziemiak wrote:
-no HD

You may want to take a look at the two Aniplex titles.

Don't be fooled by the size of the video frame before you go full screen, as it is the same for all videos despite the fact they vary in resolution. See my earlier post for more information.
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ziemiak wrote:
-no HD

You may want to take a look at the two Aniplex titles.

Don't be fooled by the size of the video frame before you go full screen, as it is the same for all videos despite the fact they vary in resolution. See my earlier post for more information.


Still begging of SAO link 480 at most. Latter it gets better. But I'm not complaining I haven't a chance to see it before.
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ziemiak wrote: But daisuki doesn't have this magical line

This video is not available outside of the US and Canada

Btw. Vevo's also came today to my country

Yes, the lack of that line for the anime that does seem to be restricted to North America caused a lot of confusion.

Without that line, people had to guess about availability based on what played for them, and so the Aniplex titles were widely reported as being restricted to North America, when it seems like they just made a mistake setting up the regional access.

These five licensors do not have a big enough slice of the broadcast anime market to replace a site like Crunchyroll, but on the other hand it could offer one of the best opportunities for people in Latin America, continental Europe, Africa, the Middle East and Southeast Asia to gain access to a strong back catalog.


ziemiak wrote: Or wait it has some region restriction after all? If yest their idea of the world is very narrow

Well, so far MOST of their series seem to be worldwide, or at least very widely available. Tomorrow on Yuri Network News, Erica Friedman is going to ask people who can see what, that'll at least give a better idea how widely available Madoka Magica is.
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A few items gleaned from the interview on ANNcast:

1. They clearly don't have Sailor Moon on the slate yet.

2. They haven't ruled out the possibility of a premium subscription in the future.

3. They do plan on having titles that have never been licensed before, especially among the Gundam series and other from Sunrise.

4. The rep stated the video quality would be HD. Clearly older series would be an exception, but apparently Sunrise didn't get the message for Gundam Seed HD Remastered (expected, since it isn't HD on the official YouTube channel).


It was a bit amusing when the rep for Daisuki got caught off guard by the question about how could they not be in competition with sites like CR if they were going to be showing some of the same series, and therefore potentially diverting viewers.

The Daisuki interview begins at about 49:12 into ANNcast 155 if you want to listen to it yourself.


Reading between the lines, I get the impression that Sunrise will be probably be one of the biggest supporters of the site. Meanwhile, Aniplex will no doubt continue their method of being available on multiple streaming platforms.
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Something else I noted in the ANNcast was that the rep made it sound like (at least some) episodes/series would be available on a revolving basis, where older episodes were gradually removed as the next set of episodes is added. Both the ANNcast host and the Daisuki rep made it sound like that's how CR and/or Funi currently do things, which for the most part not true. I think that would hurt Daisuki's (?non?) competition with CR or Funi.

Another thing the rep said that caught my attention was that pirating is popular because people want the product for free. I don't have statistics or a survey to back it up, but my impression was at least a fair portion of pirates are such because they want to watch the episode as soon as possible. This is probably reading into her words a little too much, but if Daisuki doesn't recognize that fact, then they might not be as successful as they could when they eventually try their hand at simulcasting. Though that can be said for many other simulcasts as well.
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Something else I noted in the ANNcast was that the rep made it sound like (at least some) episodes/series would be available on a revolving basis, where older episodes were gradually removed as the next set of episodes is added. Both the ANNcast host and the Daisuki rep made it sound like that's how CR and/or Funi currently do things, which for the most part not true. I think that would hurt Daisuki's (?non?) competition with CR or Funi.

I noticed that also, but she also seemed to contradict that and indicated series like One Piece would have all episodes available. Given there were clearly some language issues at play, I think an asterisk followed by "subject to interpretation" has to be added to that interview.

The only streaming site (technically a YouTube channel) that I am aware of that has a true "rolling window" is Nozomi Entertainment. They leave up two episodes of any series, but post one or more per week with with a streaming expiration date.

For example, at present they have 18 episodes of Revolutionary Girl Utena (both sub and dub) posted, with the earliest expiration date I found in a quick check being in late June. The other one on rotation appears to be Sweet Blue Flowers, which appears to have expiration dates beginning in early July.

Funimation, based on when I last used their free service before they launched their Elite membership, would keep 2-4 episodes of a series up, and then rotate through rolling out the entire series a few episodes at a time, leave it up for a while, then go back to the 2-4.

TAN rolls out even library titles at the rate of one episode per week, but keeps them up until the license expires.

I suspect what Daisuki will do will be more akin to either Funimation or TAN, and I would bet it will be the latter.
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hatguy12 wrote: Something else I noted in the ANNcast was that the rep made it sound like (at least some) episodes/series would be available on a revolving basis, where older episodes were gradually removed as the next set of episodes is added. Both the ANNcast host and the Daisuki rep made it sound like that's how CR and/or Funi currently do things, which for the most part not true. I think that would hurt Daisuki's (?non?) competition with CR or Funi.


Well, Funi doesn't cycle episodes in and out at their Hulu channel, but at that channel they cycle series in and out.

I would not be surprised if the Daisuki people are going on a bit of misunderstanding how their current overseas streaming markets work. For instance, Fairy Tail was on a four week window at Crunchyroll, but that's the only contract they signed like that ever, so if someone noted that as an example, it could easily lead to a misconception about how Crunchyroll normally works.


TheAncientOne wrote: Funimation, based on when I last used their free service before they launched their Elite membership, would keep 2-4 episodes of a series up, and then rotate through rolling out the entire series a few episodes at a time, leave it up for a while, then go back to the 2-4.

TAN rolls out even library titles at the rate of one episode per week, but keeps them up until the license expires.

I suspect what Daisuki will do will be more akin to either Funimation or TAN, and I would bet it will be the latter.


I suspect that at least initially it will be different for different publishers at Daisuki, just as TMS has a severely region restricted title up, Toei didn't make the launch date, and only NAS is using the close caption ability.


TheAncientOne wrote: ... 2. They haven't ruled out the possibility of a premium subscription in the future. ...

Of course, Japanese is a language with only a few ways to say yes or no and a thousand ways to say maybe. It seems as if they have plans for premium content along the usual Japanese lines, which they may have just assumed is similar to overseas markets ...
... but since it does not line up with what we have become used to in the US and a few other overseas markets, keep having to answer questions about subscriptions instead.

The language barrier just makes clearing up false assumptions that much harder.
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The only streaming site (technically a YouTube channel) that I am aware of that has a true "rolling window" is Nozomi Entertainment. They leave up two episodes of any series, but post one or more per week with with a streaming expiration date.

For example, at present they have 18 episodes of Revolutionary Girl Utena (both sub and dub) posted, with the earliest expiration date I found in a quick check being in late June. The other one on rotation appears to be Sweet Blue Flowers, which appears to have expiration dates beginning in early July.


Do you to know if they have the rights to the shows? Just happen to have started Utena through their channel, and I thought it was pirated as the quality isn't brilliant. Noticed the expiration dates a couple of nights ago, hope it means they're swapping the first half of the series out with the second rather than removing it altogether.
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Do you to know if they have the rights to the shows? Just happen to have started Utena through their channel, and I thought it was pirated as the quality isn't brilliant. Noticed the expiration dates a couple of nights ago, hope it means they're swapping the first half of the series out with the second rather than removing it altogether.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/press-release/2010-07-02/right-stuf-nozomi-revolutionary-girl-utena-sora-no-woto

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/press-release/2012-07-03/right-stuf-inc-announces-acquisitions-of-ristorante-paradiso-hyakko-and-aoi-hana-creation-of-lucky-penny-studio-label-and-nozomi-limited-edition-releases

For Utena is appears that episodes 3 & 4 were published on May 1, the most recent two on May 12, and everything in between on May 12, so it doesn't appear they are following their old pattern of 1-2 per week. That said, you can expect them to post more episodes before all of the ones they currently have up expire. I don't recall them ever failing to complete a series once they started it, although there were some times when the wait for new episodes was longer than expected.

As to the video quality, it isn't the best. The bitrate is variable, but appears to be adequate for the quality, so the soft appearance may be down to the masters (the series originally aired in 96-97). Also, make certain you select 480p video quality when watching, as YouTube defaults to 360p.

Sweet Blue Flowers (Aoi Hana) was once under license here at CR, and I recall it as having muted colors, so it looks much the same.

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TheAncientOne wrote:
The only streaming site (technically a YouTube channel) that I am aware of that has a true "rolling window" is Nozomi Entertainment. They leave up two episodes of any series, but post one or more per week with with a streaming expiration date.

For example, at present they have 18 episodes of Revolutionary Girl Utena (both sub and dub) posted, with the earliest expiration date I found in a quick check being in late June. The other one on rotation appears to be Sweet Blue Flowers, which appears to have expiration dates beginning in early July.

Funimation, based on when I last used their free service before they launched their Elite membership, would keep 2-4 episodes of a series up, and then rotate through rolling out the entire series a few episodes at a time, leave it up for a while, then go back to the 2-4.

TAN rolls out even library titles at the rate of one episode per week, but keeps them up until the license expires.

I suspect what Daisuki will do will be more akin to either Funimation or TAN, and I would bet it will be the latter.

Thanks for mentioning Nozomi. I'm always interested in where I can watch video legally, and that's one source I didn't know about. Revolutionary Girl Utena is on my "Want to Watch" list, but I don't like to start buying DVDs unless I know I'm really going to like what I buy (also, even when I do know I'll like it, I don't like having a lot of physical stuff, and don't tend to rewatch things so I prefer streaming actually).

I'm also waiting to see what happens at Daisuki when they flesh their site out more. Right now there's really nothing there that I'm interested in.
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http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/press-release/2010-07-02/right-stuf-nozomi-revolutionary-girl-utena-sora-no-woto

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/press-release/2012-07-03/right-stuf-inc-announces-acquisitions-of-ristorante-paradiso-hyakko-and-aoi-hana-creation-of-lucky-penny-studio-label-and-nozomi-limited-edition-releases

For Utena is appears that episodes 3 & 4 were published on May 1, the most recent two on May 12, and everything in between on May 12, so it doesn't appear they are following their old pattern of 1-2 per week. That said, you can expect them to post more episodes before all of the ones they currently have up expire. I don't recall them ever failing to complete a series once they started it, although there were some times when the wait for new episodes was longer than expected.

As to the video quality, it isn't the best. The bitrate is variable, but appears to be adequate for the quality, so the soft appearance may be down to the masters (the series originally aired in 96-97). Also, make certain you select 480p video quality when watching, as YouTube defaults to 360p.

Sweet Blue Flowers (Aoi Hana) was once under license here at CR, and I recall it as having muted colors, so it looks much the same.


Thank you for the info. I think the quality is probably coming down to the original, I guess it's easy to forget how much the nature of animation has changed.


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Thanks for mentioning Nozomi. I'm always interested in where I can watch video legally, and that's one source I didn't know about. Revolutionary Girl Utena is on my "Want to Watch" list, but I don't like to start buying DVDs unless I know I'm really going to like what I buy (also, even when I do know I'll like it, I don't like having a lot of physical stuff, and don't tend to rewatch things so I prefer streaming actually).

I'm also waiting to see what happens at Daisuki when they flesh their site out more. Right now there's really nothing there that I'm interested in.


Utena'a interesting: I've heard it's quite dark, but so far it's just been amusing and personally I love older artwork.
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Utena'a interesting: I've heard it's quite dark, but so far it's just been amusing and personally I love older artwork.

I'm 4 or 5 episodes in and I'm loving it. Amusing now, but I'll be happy if it goes dark. The only thing that's really bugging me is that Utena's uniform isn't like anybody else's.

Very minor spoiler that is revealed in the very first episode:
I mean, I'm just accepting that they chose to do it that way for no plot-related reason, but to make her especially unique or something, but even four episode in it continues to distract me.
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So far, one country that has substantial restrictions on Daisuki is Italy, where by reports only the Gundam titles are available.

France, where the two Aniplex titles are available Download to Own, has streaming access to the Aniplex titles. The block in Italy might be due to broadcast licensing ~ just because your standard terms specify non-exclusive license, if a broadcaster insists on changing that to an exclusive license, you aren't likely to walk away from the deal.
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lorreen wrote:
Very minor spoiler that is revealed in the very first episode:
I mean, I'm just accepting that they chose to do it that way for no plot-related reason, but to make her especially unique or something, but even four episode in it continues to distract me.

Freezing has the same "issue", in that Satellizer's uniform is different from everyone else's. It would have made sense if it were the uniform for East Genetics, as she transferred from there to West Genetics, but at least in the anime that is not the case.

Sometimes you just have to kick logic to the curb and go with the flow.

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