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Of course it crosses our minds. It does mine at least I've hurt so bad it seems like swallowing lead would be a viable option. Failures add up stress builds and you feel like you can't take it. Then you shake it off realize people have it far worse than you are ever likely to have it. Then move on. Think about the good think about the sunrises you would miss the time spent with friends and family. The pain you would cause those you leave behind. Suicide is a selfish thing, you end your pain only to cause unimaginable pain for those you leave behind. If your depressed the best thing is to talk to someone you trust get the weight off your shoulders any burden is easier to bear when it is shared.


You don't have the right to speak for others, just yourself!! And you definitely don't speak for me!!
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kamaitachi5587 wrote:

Of course it crosses our minds. It does mine at least I've hurt so bad it seems like swallowing lead would be a viable option. Failures add up stress builds and you feel like you can't take it. Then you shake it off realize people have it far worse than you are ever likely to have it. Then move on. Think about the good think about the sunrises you would miss the time spent with friends and family. The pain you would cause those you leave behind. Suicide is a selfish thing, you end your pain only to cause unimaginable pain for those you leave behind. If your depressed the best thing is to talk to someone you trust get the weight off your shoulders any burden is easier to bear when it is shared.


You don't have the right to speak for others, just yourself!! And you definitely don't speak for me!!

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AcadGlade wrote:


kamaitachi5587 wrote:

Of course it crosses our minds. It does mine at least I've hurt so bad it seems like swallowing lead would be a viable option. Failures add up stress builds and you feel like you can't take it. Then you shake it off realize people have it far worse than you are ever likely to have it. Then move on. Think about the good think about the sunrises you would miss the time spent with friends and family. The pain you would cause those you leave behind. Suicide is a selfish thing, you end your pain only to cause unimaginable pain for those you leave behind. If your depressed the best thing is to talk to someone you trust get the weight off your shoulders any burden is easier to bear when it is shared.


You don't have the right to speak for others, just yourself!! And you definitely don't speak for me!!


Ahh, hahaha, what?
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There's points in life though, where pain and grief are overwhelming. Emotions cloud your judgement and nothing seems like it'll change. Those are the times that are dangerous in my opinion. I think about suicide a lot. I wouldn't do it though. There's some one I care for that would be devastated, even if i'm a pain in her life right now and she doesn't want to talk. So that stops me from doing anything.

But there's those nights or days where, as previously mentioned, everything just hurts, and everything is dark. I just wish there was someone there at those times to help me through that. I lost that person, and now life is so... empty. You know?


How do you keep going? I'm in the middle of the same thing and the way she thinks of me is like I'm a thorn in her life. She only cares enough to want me to stay alive, and even then, only to stave any feelings of guilt that would arise from that. Her own feelings are more important than my life.

That, the fact that I lost her, and that there's no one who'll be there for me, does, as you say, make life feel empty, almost umbearably so.

You're right about the anime thing. Immersing myself in it makes me happy for those few moments I'm watching. The great irony is that she is the person I have to thank for getting me into Anime.

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Suicide is the second highest cause of death of people between 16-34. Highest being an accident. I'm confused as to why people and governments don't take mental illnesses more seriously.
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Suicide is the second highest cause of death of people between 16-34. Highest being an accident. I'm confused as to why people and governments don't take mental illnesses more seriously.


“Suicide is a serious public health problem.”—David Satcher, U.S. surgeon general, in 1999.

THAT statement marked the first time in history that a surgeon general of the United States had made suicide a public issue. More people in that country are now killing themselves than are being killed by others. Little wonder that the U.S. Senate declared suicide prevention to be a national priority.

Yet, the suicide rate in the United States, which was 11.4 per 100,000 in 1997, is below the global rate published by the World Health Organization in 2000—16 per 100,000. The suicide rates worldwide have increased 60 percent in the last 45 years. Now, in a single year, about a million people worldwide take their own lives. That amounts to approximately one death every 40 seconds!

Statistics, however, cannot tell the whole story. In many cases family members deny that a death was a suicide. Moreover, it is estimated that for every completed suicide, between 10 and 25 are attempted. One survey found that 27 percent of high school students in the United States admitted that during the previous year, they had seriously considered suicide; 8 percent of the group surveyed said that they had made suicide attempts. Other studies have found that from 5 to 15 percent of the adult population have had suicidal thoughts at one time or another.

Cultural Differences

The way people view suicide varies greatly. Some view it as a crime, others as a coward’s escape, and still others as an honorable way of apologizing for a blunder. Some even consider it a noble way to further a cause. Why such different viewpoints? Culture plays a major role. In fact, The Harvard Mental Health Letter suggests that culture may even “influence the likelihood of suicide.”

Consider a country in central Europe—Hungary. Dr. Zoltán Rihmer refers to the high suicide rate there as Hungary’s “sad ‘tradition.’” Béla Buda, the director of Hungary’s National Institute for Health, noted that Hungarians commit suicide all too readily, for virtually any reason. “He has cancer—he knows how to end that state” is, according to Buda, a common reaction.

In India there was once a religious custom known as suttee. Although this practice, in which a widow throws herself on the funeral pyre of her husband, has long been prohibited, it still is not quite extinct. When one woman reportedly committed suicide in this way, many of the local people glorified the tragedy. According to India Today, that region of India “has seen nearly 25 women burn themselves on their husbands’ pyres in as many years.”

Remarkably, in Japan suicide claims three times as many lives as do traffic accidents! “Japan’s traditional culture, which has never condemned suicide, is known for a highly ritualized and institutionalized form of self-disembowelment (seppuku or hara-kiri),” says Japan—An Illustrated Encyclopedia.
In his book Bushido—The Soul of Japan, Inazo Nitobe, who later became the under-secretary-general of the League of Nations, explained this cultural fascination with death. He wrote: “An invention of the middle ages, [seppuku] was a process by which warriors could expiate their crimes, apologise for errors, escape from disgrace, redeem their friends, or prove their sincerity.” Although this ritualistic form of suicide is generally a thing of the past, a few still resort to it for the sake of social impact.

In Christendom, on the other hand, suicide was long viewed as a crime. By the sixth and seventh centuries, the Roman Catholic Church excommunicated those who had committed suicide and denied them funeral rites. In some places, religious fervor has bred strange customs regarding suicides—including hanging the dead body and even driving a stake through the heart.

So you see, the topic of suicide is not unknown.
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Why should suicidal thoughts and actions be considered a mental illness? I would say that people who insist on forcing other people to live the way that they want them to live are more mentally unstable than the people who have the courage to stand up for what they believe in.
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Why should suicidal thoughts and actions be considered a mental illness? I would say that people who insist on forcing other people to live the way that they want them to live are more mentally unstable than the people who have the courage to stand up for what they believe in.


Because it has been proven time and time again by medical professionals that suicidal thoughts and tendencies are tied to mental illness and chemical imbalances of the brain... This isn't some crackpot conspiracy theory it's common knowledge amongst medical, psychiatric and pharmaceutical professionals. Read up on depression and suicidal tendencies in any legitimate medical journal...
Posted 5/27/13

darkhunt333 wrote:

Suicide is the second highest cause of death of people between 16-34. Highest being an accident. I'm confused as to why people and governments don't take mental illnesses more seriously.


It's simple: They don't give a shit.
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Because it has been proven time and time again by medical professionals that suicidal thoughts and tendencies are tied to mental illness and chemical imbalances of the brain... This isn't some crackpot conspiracy theory it's common knowledge amongst medical, psychiatric and pharmaceutical professionals. Read up on depression and suicidal tendencies in any legitimate medical journal...


Should all suicidal thoughts be considered a mental illness, though? What about a suicide that is done purely out of altruism?
Posted 5/28/13

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lordseth23 wrote:

Why should suicidal thoughts and actions be considered a mental illness? I would say that people who insist on forcing other people to live the way that they want them to live are more mentally unstable than the people who have the courage to stand up for what they believe in.


Because it has been proven time and time again by medical professionals that suicidal thoughts and tendencies are tied to mental illness and chemical imbalances of the brain... This isn't some crackpot conspiracy theory it's common knowledge amongst medical, psychiatric and pharmaceutical professionals. Read up on depression and suicidal tendencies in any legitimate medical journal...


Psychiatry is a scam. SSRI's hardly work and the chemical imbalance theory is not the root cause of any mental illness. Big Pharma and all these drug companies make shit loads from the anti psychotics and other medicines they market. No one wants to let go of this theory that you can cure a disorder by increasing levels of serotonin... it's not correct.

There isn't always a link between being suicidal and having a mental illness either.
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There isn't always a link between being suicidal and having a mental illness either.


There is always a link between consistent suicidal thoughts and mental illness people have genetic dispositions for mental illness as well. low levels of Serotonin isn't the only cause for depression(which is the leading cause for consistent suicidal thoughts with very,very rare exceptions); Acetylcholine,Norepinephrine,Dopamine, Glutamate, Gamma-aminobutyric acid are all neurotransmitters that if there isn't enough activity can cause depression and suicidal thoughts. Areas that play a significant role in depression are the amygdala,thalamus, and the hippocampus. A sluggish production of neurons in the hippocampus is yet another cause of depression; this can be idetified in MRI, FMRI, PET and SPECT scans.

Suicidal thoughts are a mental illness... all mental illness originate from the mind or genes that affect the mind. If you did not have a mind you could not experience suicidal thoughts....
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There is always a link between consistent suicidal thoughts and mental illness people have genetic dispositions for mental illness as well. low levels of Serotonin isn't the only cause for depression(which is the leading cause for consistent suicidal thoughts with very,very rare exceptions); Acetylcholine,Norepinephrine,Dopamine, Glutamate, Gamma-aminobutyric acid are all neurotransmitters that if there isn't enough activity can cause depression and suicidal thoughts. Areas that play a significant role in depression are the amygdala,thalamus, and the hippocampus. A sluggish production of neurons in the hippocampus is yet another cause of depression; this can be idetified in MRI, FMRI, PET and SPECT scans.


What if a person had healthy levels of every neurotransmitter, had a healthy amygdala, thalamus, and hippocampus, and had an adequate amount of neurons in their hippocampus, but still had suicidal thoughts? Would it still be considered a mental illness?
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Posted 5/29/13

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spacebat wrote:


There is always a link between consistent suicidal thoughts and mental illness people have genetic dispositions for mental illness as well. low levels of Serotonin isn't the only cause for depression(which is the leading cause for consistent suicidal thoughts with very,very rare exceptions); Acetylcholine,Norepinephrine,Dopamine, Glutamate, Gamma-aminobutyric acid are all neurotransmitters that if there isn't enough activity can cause depression and suicidal thoughts. Areas that play a significant role in depression are the amygdala,thalamus, and the hippocampus. A sluggish production of neurons in the hippocampus is yet another cause of depression; this can be idetified in MRI, FMRI, PET and SPECT scans.


What if a person had healthy levels of every neurotransmitter, had a healthy amygdala, thalamus, and hippocampus, and had an adequate amount of neurons in their hippocampus, but still had suicidal thoughts? Would it still be considered a mental illness?


Well, now the burden of proof lies with you to procure such an individual. However, that's as likely as the LHC spawning pretty pink apocalyptic unicorns that shoot rainbow death beams from their eyes...
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Yeah I think about it every day. It's pretty horrible really. My thoughts of it, murder and other bad things are graphic. Very graphic. I wouldn't class myself as having a problem, just as being abnormal.

Often I feel like the world is too much for me. Like I've failed throughout my life and that things aren't going to change. It's hard to change, I've always felt that. Sure everyone makes mistakes but mine will live with me until the day I die (which could be soon).

Of course I'll soldier on but in the next few years my life path will be decided. Whether I decide to get help or whether I go and end it. It's all a horrible nightmare. I don't even know what to do with myself any more. Of course, I hope for a greater life. I hope to excel and I hope to live but at this point it just doesn't seem possible for me...

I've made mistakes and every day I make mistakes. Little ones that ruin relationships to big ones that I'll never forget. I know people say that at my age I'm at a tough point in my life but I don't see any point where it will start to improve.

Tl;dr I could kill myself but I'm not sure yet.
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