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why do people always have katanas?
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Posted 5/23/13
Its the best sword design. Made for Thrusting Slashing an use as a Shield.
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Oldthrashbar wrote:
Also, kendo has been proven inferior to most forms of western swordplay.


Lol. I'm curious how that would even be possible. By what objective standard can you prove whether apples or oranges are better? Western fencing has very different rules than kendo. Even within Western fencing there are very different sets of rules for foil, epee, and saber, and none of them really simulate reality very well. For example, in real life if you chopped off your opponents legs with a saber, I think you'd win the fight, but according to the rules of fencing you would get no points at all for that. So how would you even begin to evaluate whether fencing or kendo is better? Which rules would you follow?
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Oldthrashbar wrote:


moneygrip3030 wrote:

The katana is the best sword made by mankind. Why would you not have one. I have 7.


Actually. Its been proven a traditional Katana is inferior to western blades. Wanna know why? Its the difference between iron and steel. Also, kendo has been proven inferior to most forms of western swordplay.

But.. keep dreaming of a world where Japan and Japanese things are somehow better.


I don't doubt that traditionally made nihonto from back in the day are less durable overall than western swords, but this is not due to inferiority of design but to the amount and quality of steel used in the western swords from the same era. Western blades are simply beefier, with a different blade profile due to their different role than the katana. Western swords were designed to survive on battlefields where plate armor was very common and horses were everywhere and guys charged at you with lances and carried shields. Samurai didn't really carry shields and their armor was made of many small plates laced together, without the full-body protection of western armor. These days, however, the broadsword is more outdated than the katana. Modern metallurgy makes steel quality a problem of the past, and nobody wears plate armor anymore. Although guns have taken over, definitely.

But it should be noted that the katana was never designed to block. They were designed to slice, and they do that very well due to their thinness and construction. They do that much better than a western sword with a diamond-shaped profile. No informed and sane person with a nihonto is going to block a strike in a way that animes depict it. The wielder is supposed to rely on footwork, agility and, if that's not possible, the BACK or SIDE of the blade to check/deflect an oncoming sword strike.

I don't know how you can decide that kendo is inferior, though. Masters at both are quite scary. If you are placing a kendo master against a master with a rapier then, yeah, the guy with the rapier has a range advantage for sure. But if you place a kendo master against a master of the broadsword or the gladius, then I don't know....
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swirly_commode wrote:
Id also like to see a fully armored, clunky westerner even be able to hit a nimble japanese guy.


The nimble japanese guy would have slim hope of even getting a strike past a shield, let alone through western armor...

An armored knight could steer his armored warhorse to outmaneuver anyone on foot, either running them over or lining up a strike with a heavy broadsword, lance, or flail. It was a smart, powerful strategy that was difficult to deal with.
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You know horses legs do come off
A horse would never out manuever a man
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swirly_commode wrote:

You know horses legs do come off
A horse would never out manuever a man


You'd be surprised how fast and how powerful a horse is compared to a person. We're like toothpicks compared to some animals out there. Horses and cows included.

Also, this discussion is starting to veer toward basically the effectiveness of curved blades vs the effectiveness of straight blades against armor. Basically, curved blades are for slashing, best for unarmored or lightly armored foes. Because of their purpose, they can use less steel and be better balanced, faster and lighter. Straight bladed western swords are designed for thrusting, sometimes through armor and mail. Because of this, they have a more reinforced structure and are heavier and not usually as well-balanced.

Let's make these tools do what they were not designed to do and then rate their effectiveness based on that.
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Posted 5/23/13
A heavily armored horse out manuveuring a person on foot is like saying a mac truck could take a ferrsri.
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Morbidhanson wrote:Also, this discussion is starting to veer toward basically the effectiveness of curved blades vs the effectiveness of straight blades against armor.


Yeah, the effectiveness against armor is just an argument of why the katana isn't always the best blade.

As far as just being a curved blade goes, I suppose there's the sabre or scimitar to compare it to.
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swirly_commode wrote:

A heavily armored horse out manuveuring a person on foot is like saying a mac truck could take a ferrsri.


You have clearly never been around horses. They are strong. Wearing armor will hardly slow them down. And those used in battle were bred for war, for speed and agility and the intelligence to carry a man safely through battle. Not to mention trained to obey commands.

In a wide-open area like a battlefield, you have no chance against a horse that's hellbent on hurting you. Even if you somehow avoid getting trampled and the guy riding it misses you, the horse can turn around and have another run at you. And it can keep doing this way longer than a person can keep avoiding it.
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swirly_commode wrote:

A heavily armored horse out manuveuring a person on foot is like saying a mac truck could take a ferrsri.


It's more like saying a Mack truck can run over a person on foot. It's big and heavy, but it's still way faster than a human can leg it.
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Nice thread I have been pondering purchasing a katana and seeking out the proper training. Can anyone recommend a high quality sword cane I'm getting older and I have bouts with sciatica, every now and then I have to use a cane I figured if I have to use a cane why not it be something I can use for protection in case some young whipper snappers try to mug me.
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Lol. Seriously?
A horse with no legs isnt very mobile at all.
Soldiers were trained to cut the legs off horses.

Also, a horse will nsturally try to avoid trampling people.


Btw, i own a horse farm and you all watch to many movies
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swirly_commode wrote:

Lol. Seriously?
A horse with no legs isnt very mobile at all.
Soldiers were trained to cut the legs off horses.

Also, a horse will nsturally try to avoid trampling people.


Btw, i own a horse farm and you all watch to many movies


I'm assuming you're still in the '1 vs 1' situation. A lone guy with a katana is going to have a hell of a time cutting the legs off a horse. I've seen MODERN KATANA break against thick bones. You can probably injure a horse with a katana, but there's still the problem of the guy wearing plate armor and carrying a shield coming at you. Like I said, curved thin blades were not designed for superheavy targets like horse bones and steel plate armor.

This doesn't make the katana a bad sword, it is just not designed for this sort of abuse. If you want to take on a rider, everyone knows that you use a long weapon or a projectile weapon.


Morbidhanson wrote:


TVNation wrote:

Nice thread I have been pondering purchasing a katana and seeking out the proper training. Can anyone recommend a high quality sword cane I'm getting older and I have bouts with sciatica, every now and then I have to use a cane I figured if I have to use a cane why not it be something I can use for protection in case some young whipper snappers try to mug me.


I think sword canes are illegal in many jurisdictions because they are considered concealed weapons. Cold Steel sells a decent sword cane. I've handled it before and it seems nice. Cold Steel blades have a reputation for toughness and sharpness.

I can recommend some fairly easy-on-the-wallet production katana optimized for cutting but sword canes aren't really my thing.


Posted 5/23/13
I have an axe. Does that mean I am not keeping up with the Joneses?
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WackyFiasco wrote:

I have an axe. Does that mean I am not keeping up with the Joneses?


Axes are fun. When it comes to sheer cleaving ability, it is unequaled. I don't know about how agile they are, though. I know Danish war axes were thin and sharp and fast but I don't own many axes. Not ones intended for battle, anyway.
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