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Posted 10/8/13

Sakurako_Kimino wrote:


ThrenodialSoul wrote:

No, just legalize the most harmless drug ever: Marijuana.
We don't want another opium war.
You are patently retarded if you believe Marijuana is the "most harmless drug ever."

Consider a brief expert from A Case Against the Legalization of Marijuana by Daniel Fisher:
It is also worth mentioning that the AMA and the AGS both preclude the recommendation of prescribing "medical" marijuana at the present time; there is little evidence suggesting that marijuana alters the course of glaucoma or cancer in patients at the present time.

Also, consider examining this study published by the National Academy of Sciences last year: "Persistent cannabis users show neuropsychological decline from childhood to midlife"
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/08/22/1206820109.abstract

It'd be great if you didn't spread disinformation on topics you clearly know nothing about. You should feel thoroughly ashamed of yourself for being complicit in the perpetuation of the lie that Marijuana use carries with it few associated risks.


in a forum where you have already claimed to be the utmost authority, i will tell you form my own personal experience that you are a moron.
site whatever biased studies you want and you are still very uninformed.
marijuana is less harmful and addictive than alcohol. that is a fact.
Posted 10/9/13 , edited 10/9/13
Marijuana
It's kinda wasteful to keep it illegal. Don't they say that prisons are getting too crowded? Isn't there a need for police to be chasing after harder drugs? Seems to me that it's less costly for the government to be legalising it. Left to the black market, users will be exposed to more than just marijuana and might be pulled further down to self-destruction. Criminals groom their buyers to spend a little more each time, most criminals in my opinion are very charismatic. Many people already have the set mind that there is nothing wrong with smoking marijuana with doctors and other prominent voices advocating. Not to mention celebrities making it look good. Even if a smoker gets arrested I doubt they will learn any lessons. Wouldn't it take some street cred off if legalised? Even cali, the only state of america I know of that has legalised it will lose some of that supposed edge of coolness when legalisation becomes popularised. So much can change or nothing at all.

Personally, I'm okay with it staying illegal. If legalized most of resulting business on the floor level will be taken from those that need make a living out of it. The system set might be working for some people in unfortunate positions. I wouldn't want to see how their lifestyle changes up. Basically, if there is action to be taken, all involved should be dealt with even-handedly. The cost-benefit analysis should try and not leave anyone out because it's easy to only pay attention to the louder voices.
Posted 10/9/13
Only government, political activists, rapists and child molesters would see a problem with it. As such, they are the only ones who would force you to either do something, or not do something, against your will, according to how themselves deem best their agenda.

Btw, has anyone noticed how pro-gun people are most often against it? They're all for being allowed to kill you, but you should not be allowed to kill yourself.

I'm all for legalizing drugs, because the world can't possibly get any more fucked than it already is.
Posted 10/9/13 , edited 10/9/13

dankuuwut wrote:

Only government, political activists, rapists and child molesters would see a problem with it. As such, they are the only ones who would force you to either do something, or not do something, against your will, according to how themselves deem best their agenda.

Btw, has anyone noticed how pro-gun people are most often against it? They're all for being allowed to kill you, but you should not be allowed to kill yourself.

I'm all for legalizing drugs, because the world can't possibly get any more fucked than it already is.


Pro-second amendment here, no problems with it.

There is no correlation on any of the topics you have mentioned, unless you can show otherwise.

I will pose the question why a citizen of a country with state-regulated firearms laws and purchase,storage, and usage restrictions with a hunting registry wants to throw a blanket statement about pro-gun, when you are hindered about such yourself?
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Hey everyone!

Just to jump in here... No name calling please. If you want to have a conversation on pros / cons, etc... awesome!
But this is not the place to demean others and call them morons, etc.

If it keeps up I'll close this.

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Csgod0 wrote:
I believe that I'm using the perspective and established fact that this is a "web forum on a video streaming site" where people from all socioeconomic status and personal motivation may congregate.

I'm also stating that by disobeying the site rules, for any amount of garrulous rebuke without regard to tact is not permitted in any form;this isn't a "sensitivity topic".

Now, getting back on topic.. I on the otherhand support the legalization of cannabis in all forms. I believe in the medicinal effects that have been exhibited, and see no reason why so much pessimism about the topic exists.

Research into the anti-depressant properties of delta-9tetrahydrocannabinol increased activity of seretogenic neurons: http://www.pnas.org/content/102/51/18620.full?sid=54fdd30d-a51d-4dcf-98c7-5c24b1acb51f
Love, I must have misread the study you linked, but the supplied PNAS article comports with the previously mentioned opinion of the American Medical Association: that Marijuana should not be prescribed in clinical cases at the present time. Gobbi et. all (2005) (the article you linked) states that "... the psychotropic effects and abuse liability of [Marijuana] prevent its therapeutic application." and later "The addictive properties of Δ9-THC are a major obstacle to the development of cannabinoid-based therapeutics."

Essentially, the article claims that THC consumption makes users feel happy, however, the authors do not recommend the use of Marijuana in clinical trials at the present time due to other severe adverse neurological impairment and dependencies associated with marijuana use. That's what I said previously. That's the current medical opinion on the matter. There's no dispute there.

But suppose it did have tremendous medical benefit. That it didn't have an adverse side effects (it does). Even then Marijuana should not be prescribed to patients -- Marijuana simply doesn't fit the criteria of a prescription drug.

Think about it like this, there are many plants that have some medical benefit that aren't prescription drugs, like St John's wort or Belladonna.

Insofar as Marijuana is concerned, Doctor's are being asked to prescribe a dried leaf containing several compounds of unspecified potency, some of them active and none of them pure; smoking is an unreliable way to deliver a consistent dose, and smoking is harmful and no other medicine is administered in this way; there is no evidence that those offering to supply marijuana understand how to deliver a consistent drug dose in a smoked product; and, most important, regulatory testing suggests that marijuana is harmful and its use should be discouraged.

Marijuana is a herbal product, not a medicine.


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Statistically speaking, no one has died because they ingested a lethal dose of cannabis, nor have they gone on a fever-induced delusional rampage, inflicting bodily harm on others or oneself. They just get really hungry.

Also, websites like NORML.ORG http://norml.org/component/zoo/category/recent-research-on-medical-marijuana are put in place specifically to educate the public and sway the negative public oppinion about cannabis and its uses.

It has drawn enough attention to sway the opinion of noted CNN Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/08/health/gupta-changed-mind-marijuana/index.html

Once again, this is my opinion, and as such, no one is forced to agree with me.
Marijuana does indeed inflict bodily harm to its users. It's worth repeating what was posted previously:
In fact, a synthesis of over 150 studies regarding Marijuana over the last 20 years was published recently by Cerda et. all (2011) corrrelates Marijuana use with "substantially higher instances of vehicular accidents, school drop out, psychosis, HIV, and other sexually transmitted diseases."

So... the evidence suggests that Marijuana is both harmful to the users and harmful to non-users as well.

You're right though, Marijuana isn't probably going to make you kill anyone. It probably isn't going to finance terrorism either.

And I am familiar with Dr. Gupta's flip flop. It is particularly disheartening because softening public opinion on Marijuana leads to increased Marijuana use (Piontek, Kraus,Bjarnason, Demetrovics,& Ramstedt, 2012). Nevertheless, the National Academy of Sciences and the American Medical Association (the largest association of doctors in the world) both have stated that Marijuana is harmful and its use should be discouraged AND that Marijuana should not be used for medical purposes. It's up to you, do you believe NAS and the AMA or a single TV doctor.

-/-/-

It's worth mentioning that it can be said that Marijuana should be legal, all the medical evidence against it notwithstanding. I can pile mountains of studies that show sugary soda is bad for you; the difference is no one claims that soda isn't bad in the first place.

I will not have it said, however, that Marijuana is "safe" and I will not have the overwhelming medical consensus dismissed simply because the science doesn't comport with how people "feel" it should be.
Posted 10/9/13
that is a solid debate. Do you happen to know of any studies that doesn't target a specific age group ( i.e. adolescents)?
Posted 10/9/13 , edited 10/9/13

Sakurako_Kimino wrote:

I will not have it said, however, that Marijuana is "safe"

It is safe. Far safer than any drug that I've been recommended and prescribed by specialists over the years with adverse affects such as paranoia, hallucinations, panic attacks, heart palpitations, heart arrhythmia, psychosis, insomnia, sexual dysfunction, and clinical depression. And far safer than alcohol which only has one assured effect, that is psychopathy, which is harmful to not only the user, but everyone around the user, and even society itself as a whole. So, I'll say it again. Marijuana is safe. Compared to driving cars, it's safe. Compared to mountain climbing, it's safe. Compared to playing soccer, it's safe. Compared to 98% of all prescription drugs in the world, it's safe. Compared to SUGAR, it's safe. Compared to microwaving your food, it's safe. Compared to bathing int he ocean, it's safe. Compared to bananas and nuts, it's safe. So, I'll say it one last time. Marijuana is safe.
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dankuuwut wrote:
It is safe.
Well then I simply contradict you. I would implore you to reread my previous posts on the matter.

dankuuwut wrote: Far safer than any drug that I've been recommended and prescribed by specialists over the years with adverse affects such as paranoia, hallucinations, panic attacks, heart palpitations, heart arrhythmia, psychosis, insomnia, sexual dysfunction, and clinical depression. And far safer than alcohol which only has one assured effect, that is psychopathy, which is harmful to not only the user, but everyone around the user, and even society itself as a whole. So, I'll say it again. Marijuana is safe. Compared to driving cars, it's safe. Compared to mountain climbing, it's safe. Compared to playing soccer, it's safe. Compared to 98% of all prescription drugs in the world, it's safe. Compared to SUGAR, it's safe. Compared to microwaving your food, it's safe. Compared to bathing int he ocean, it's safe. Compared to bananas and nuts, it's safe. So, I'll say it one last time. Marijuana is safe.
Indeed, there are drugs more dangerous than Marijuana. That doesn't mean Marijuana is safe, which is what you seem to be implying.

Also you're comparing a psychoactive hallucinogenic drug to sugar and nuts and bananas. I can't take you seriously.
Posted 10/10/13

Sakurako_Kimino wrote:


dankuuwut wrote:
It is safe.
Well then I simply contradict you. I would implore you to reread my previous posts on the matter.

dankuuwut wrote: Far safer than any drug that I've been recommended and prescribed by specialists over the years with adverse affects such as paranoia, hallucinations, panic attacks, heart palpitations, heart arrhythmia, psychosis, insomnia, sexual dysfunction, and clinical depression. And far safer than alcohol which only has one assured effect, that is psychopathy, which is harmful to not only the user, but everyone around the user, and even society itself as a whole. So, I'll say it again. Marijuana is safe. Compared to driving cars, it's safe. Compared to mountain climbing, it's safe. Compared to playing soccer, it's safe. Compared to 98% of all prescription drugs in the world, it's safe. Compared to SUGAR, it's safe. Compared to microwaving your food, it's safe. Compared to bathing int he ocean, it's safe. Compared to bananas and nuts, it's safe. So, I'll say it one last time. Marijuana is safe.
Indeed, there are drugs more dangerous than Marijuana. That doesn't mean Marijuana is safe, which is what you seem to be implying.

Also you're comparing a psychoactive hallucinogenic drug to sugar and nuts and bananas. I can't take you seriously.


Cannabis is not a hallucinogenic. Get your facts straight. Furthermore, you have obviously no idea what sugar does to the body, or the amount of radiation there is in nuts, bananas, and the ocean. You've also, obviously, ignored the fact that I've already compared Cannabis to other psychoactive drugs (many of them, in fact, all of which were legally prescribed), and I quote myself "Far safer than any drug that I've been recommended and prescribed by specialists over the years with adverse affects such as paranoia, hallucinations, panic attacks, heart palpitations, heart arrhythmia, psychosis, insomnia, sexual dysfunction, and clinical depression." Hell, I've even been prescribed oxazepam, which is extremely addictive. Think heroine-type addiction. And you want to tell me Marijuana is bad for you because you've read a few statistics on anti-drug websites on the internet? lol, no, you're the one that can't be taken seriously.
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I just know that my one experience with breathing in marijuana after someone smoked it (at my school none the less) left me feeling dizzy, nauseous, and very out of it. I barely was able to eat lunch which was right after that happened. I ended up convincing the school nurse to let me go home early, my grandpa drove me home, I barely made it up the steps at my apartment, collapsed on the love seat... just in time for my first ever migraine to kick in.

Maybe marijuana is safe for other people, but in no way is it good for me.
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Posted 10/11/13
Um, some of them would be fine, but all of them?!
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Uhh sorry for not reading all posts so I don't know if this has been said, but this topic reminds me of cigarettes. Sure it isn't nearly as bad and addicting as those deadly drugs, but despite the warnings each package has a lot of people still smoke, some in public too where a lot of nonsmokers can be dangered as well. So the way I see it a lot more people would be addicted to drugs since it's legal anyway so why not try it (in my case I've always wanted to smoke despite of how much I hate the taste, because it looks fun).
The same can apply to drugs as well (heck I think I'll be very curious and try it)
I hope you can ubderstand what I'm trying to say ; u;
Posted 10/11/13 , edited 10/11/13

"The theory is that once you legalize it, it becomes desensitized and less people would abuse. Also it would be regulated and thus safer for people. I have heard that statistic from other countries have actually proven this. "

lol, it could actually work but I wonder what will happen with tourism? I suspect tourism is the flaw to this theory and usage will most likely not slow down overall.
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Posted 10/11/13
Some drugs I can see a use for drugs like weed (I don't personally use even alcohol, but I do see medicinal purposes being a good reason). However, anything beyond that, no. I can find much better ways to pass my time and have done so since the day I was born. I also came from homes that had recreational drug use on a frequent basis. No good came from them.
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