Should the "bully" be punished if they were attacked first--
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Posted 5/30/13
by the "victim" who later commits suicide?

This can be taken into any context. For example, someone wrote a obnoxious comment to your on fb and you attacked them with a more cheekier comment (reasonably, this might/might not include exposing every past stupid thing that person did to try and ridicule them). Then the same person who attacked you replies to you with another insult and you come up with a more wittier/meaner comment each time they reply. This back and forth continues on and you successfully tell them off every time time. Do you think you should be held liable, if at the time, they didn't have enough mental capacity to repulse the things you've said?

Don't need to read this, just one side of the argument ...not necessary mine:
Does this put too much responsibilities on the "bully" who was clearly bullied first, therefore a victim....not the bully?
Was it the other person's fault for continuing to respond thus creating a need for defense (counter response) each time?
What is the definition of victim? Someone who was hurt more or the person who was attacked first?
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Yes. It takes two to have an argument, even in the case that it would end as badly as this I still firmly believe that the "bully" should still receive punishment. Playing the "he started it" card doesn't change the outcome. I also do not believe that the "victim" would remain the victim even after bullying the "bully".

Sorry If it was a bit confusing, but I am a believer in equal punishment for both parties if both parties committed the same crime, even if one only committed it in retaliation.
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Hmmm, I don't believe that in that scenario there was a bully at all.
I'm pretty sure bullying is more of a one sided, continuous attack on another being, either physically, emotionally, or spiritually.
The person who killed themselves in above situation, probably had other horribly negative influences in their life.
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Gettnlag wrote:

Playing the "he started it" card doesn't change the outcome. I also do not believe that the "victim" would remain the victim even after bullying the "bully".


That's why I always bully back the people who bully me first so I'm not the victim. I'm not really a good role model for anti-bullying, but because I took so much hate from people when I was younger, I learnt that staying quiet or keeping my mouth shut don't make me feel any better, and makes me even angrier inside. So I decided I will stick up for myself every time anyone say something mean to me.

Usually if it was a girl/girls that bully me, they are most likely to cry afterwards because I say really mean things to them (calling girls fat, or ugly, or old, manly looking always hit the spot lol). My philosophy to bullying is - if bullies are ready to do/say mean things to other people, then they are ready to take the bullying back.
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tinyd0t wrote:


Gettnlag wrote:

Playing the "he started it" card doesn't change the outcome. I also do not believe that the "victim" would remain the victim even after bullying the "bully".


That's why I always bully back the people who bully me first so I'm not the victim. I'm not really a good role model for anti-bullying, but because I took so much hate from people when I was younger, I learnt that staying quiet or keeping my mouth shut don't make me feel any better, and makes me even angrier inside. So I decided I will stick up for myself every time anyone say something mean to me.

Usually if it was a girl/girls that bully me, they are most likely to cry afterwards because I say really mean things to them (calling girls fat, or ugly, or old, manly looking always hit the spot lol). My philosophy to bullying is - if bullies are ready to do/say mean things to other people, then they are ready to take the bullying back.


Many people lash back out at the bullies, and what is sad is that society often awards bullies, because they are those who are playing Football, Basketball, Track, and even in business as managers. If you don't do it sooner, then society wins and you never will. Society has always been a harsh place to live in, but we do what we can and eventually find our rock to hide behind. I hid behind this with great personality. I got away from the problems, and even stiffed a few, but always kept my smile. I hung with friends who were bigger, so I was mostly never bothered in high school. Girls were my rock in middle school and it was even funny how they actually made the bully into the victim lol.

I still find myself being more emotionally pulled towards girls anyways because of how I can talk to them since middle school. Guys just wanted to mess around and back then I think I was more of a serious person haha. I never talk about certain things, so don't expect me to talk about these things lol.
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No one should make terse replies to anyone who insults you, If your really smart or claim to be a christian, you should remember that the Bible has good advise on this matter,

Some bullies want to provoke you just to see how you’ll react. But the Bible gives this wise advice: “Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended.” (Ecclesiastes 7:9) The fact is, ‘returning evil for evil’ could add fuel to the fire and lead to further problems. (Romans 12:17) How, then, can you beat a bully without using your fists?

Use mildness. The Bible says: “An answer, when mild, turns away rage.” (Proverbs 15:1) A kind reply is what the bully least expects, and it can defuse a tense situation. True, keeping coolheaded when under attack takes self-control. But it’s always the better course. Proverbs 29:11 says: “All his spirit is what a stupid one lets out, but he that is wise keeps it calm to the last.” Mildness is a sign of strength. The mild person isn’t easily thrown off balance, while the bully is often insecure, frustrated, or even desperate. For good reason, the Bible states: “He that is slow to anger is better than a mighty man.”—Proverbs 16:3

Protect yourself. If a situation seems out of control, you may need to find an ‘escape route.’ Proverbs 17:14 says: “Before the quarrel has burst forth, take your leave.” So if violence appears imminent, walk or run away. If escape is impossible, you may need to ward off violence the best way you can.

The bottom line? A bully can’t win if you refuse to play his game. So don’t get sucked into the flames of his anger. Instead, take control of the situation by employing the foregoing suggestions.
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Posted 6/1/13


Can Klingon's be gay?
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Posted 6/2/13 , edited 6/9/13
Not in the Klingon Defense Forces, and not on Qo'NoS, maybe on the frontier?

But I can tell you what q' Dar vestai-vesQa would do If there was one and one had tried to " cop a feel. "

q' Dar would knock the offender on his ass and then shout in a loud voice what this " petaQ " had done to him, and if the offender tried to deny it, Then q' Dar would draw his Daqtagh and a fight to the death would ensue.

That's just " The Klingon Way. "
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Posted 6/9/13
i think its different its called fighting. and theres a different between bullying and fighting. bullying is when 1 side dominated the other who couldnt fight back.
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Posted 6/9/13
If someone, who is a known Bully, in a neighborhood, is minding his own business, is attacked, and injured, has the legal right to have his attacker arrested and tried for the crime of assault and battery.
Posted 6/9/13 , edited 6/9/13

Everyone loves to be the underdog

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Posted 6/10/13 , edited 6/10/13
No. Well, depends on the severity of the offense compared to that of the retaliation. Stabbing someone in the neck for insulting you is a bit over the top.

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Posted 6/10/13
if someone is killing themselves over facebook comments, then the world is probably better off without them.
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Posted 6/13/13
Thats funny, Airsplat is a sponser of crunchyroll now, I bought my second gun/prop from them, and barely use it.
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