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Code Geass is Japanese Nationalism at its best
Posted 6/2/13 , edited 6/2/13

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You didn't have to say it. My point was that that information is out in the open - the States (or even the UK) don't try to hide their nastier side like Japan does to this day. Sure, neither the States or the UK really push it out in the open that is absolutely true, but then again that is far better than actually denying it or changing the textbooks to downplay the facts.

It is not the general populace. Japanese people on the whole were never told about Pearl Harbor and they seemed genuinely surprised that it was them, NOT America who started the war between them. That is how much it was hidden. A major fact like that should have been known, considering it was THAT that started the war between the States and the Empire of Japan - but they didn't know that!

The Japanese scholar themselves deny the actual facts, and they are almost always the ones who are Nationalistic to the utmost degree.

The general populace in America know the key parts of slavery - just like how Japan should know they key point to what started the war between America and themselves. No one expects them to know every single detail - that is absurd! But such a major point? Yes.

And I seem to recall saying that Code Geass was a dig at MAINLY at the UK and then the States to a much lesser extent and the West of course in general but you only seemed to see America pop out at you and dragged them in alone...

And yes, I did mention those countries but the main discussion was Nationalism in Code Geass and it shold have extended only to Japan if anything. There are other topics on here that discuss the other countries. This was meant to be limited to the anime and then Japan itself.


Does Japan ban its internet users from accessing international websites like China? No. Information is up there for everyone. Japanese people have access to information anywhere on the internet; whether they want to educate themselves or not, it's up to them, it's not up to the government or some anime director.

I chose USA to use as my example because it is relevant to my point. You talked about USA, so why can't I talk about it? The USA government and media are best known for their propulsion of racist agenda: example during the 9/11 attacks, everywhere on their Newspapers would have articles like... "Suspected Muslims..." "Muslims are responsible for...".

How many people in the USA still think all Muslims are terrorists to this day? How many people?

Your Original Post act as if only Japanese government and people are guilty of this. This is an issue that is infected worldwide.


You clearly don't know the difference between "government officials" and "scholar" if you think scholars are ones to deny facts and accept fictions.


I did not TALK about the USA; I mentioned on the side along with several other countries - only now am I replying to others for bringing the country in this discussion.

Japan may not ban internet users but they DO ban scenes from movies like the Best Picture winner, The Last Emperor when scenes involving brutalities from the Japanese Imperial Army are shown. What of that then?That information is most certainly NOT up for everyone in Japan. There have also been complaints about a certain book in the Tintin comic book series, The Blue Lotus where the Japanese people were NOT happy at how they were portrayed in regards to China in the early 1930's though it was ALL true.

The information is there, but it is so hidden/downplayed by their own government that they can't tell fact from fiction.

How many people worldwide think of Muslims only as terrorists? As a Britisher, I can tell you Muslims get what could be the most hate in my country. Look at recent events in the UK with the protests wanting Muslims out! It's not just limited to the USA alone though the media loves to pretend it is so.

Sure, what the USA did was wrong but again - it came out in the open in the end! They didn't try to cover it up or downplay it! People know about it, and it's out there in the open. And come on - what about the racism in Japan? The way they treat foreigners? How they are racist to South East Asians for example, or hold up signs at airports telling foreigners to go home? Japan also has a racist agenda as well - how they promote only a single race society and look down on non-Japanese. Don't even get me started on how they thought they were the Master Race of Asia when they were an Empire. Why does no one mention that all the time?

Simple.

Because America is CONSTANTLY in the media, and under the spotlight of the entire world. The world feels better about itself because it has found a country to be the buttmonkey. They downplay their own actions in favor of highlighting a single countries mistakes. It used to be England before, now it is America. What country will be next?

My original post was limiting the conversation to the anime and Japan even. There are other posts on here that talk of other countries and their problems - I don't see anyone really rushing to those countries defense like they're doing for Japan. This one thread talks of a certain aspect of Japan for discussion. Of course though, people brought in all the other countries to bring them all into the net. Oh no, we can't have Japan singled out for ANYTHING bad - that's only for other countries!



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Yeah, I can definitely see the point. It's more blatant in the Code Geass Akito the Exiled OVA, where all Japanese are forced into concentration camps, one officer says they are a race that loves to die, and it talks about the European democracy that was corrupt from the start and things would have been better if Napoleon had taken power and created a dictatorship. That said, it doesn't bother me in the show nor OVA. The original show doesn't take itself seriously enough for me to care, and the OVA actually brings up some good points about democracy vs. dictatorship.
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Uh, my post had nothing to do with what they FEEL but what they KNOW about that incident and what they were TOLD about said incident.

Why don't you actually read up on this matter before writing something like that? Feelings have nothing to do with this.



Link me to some articles backing your claims and I'll get back to you on that.





http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/01/world/asia/01japan.html?_r=0

http://www.ask.com/wiki/Japanese_history_textbook_controversies?o=2798&qsrc=999

http://educationinjapan.wordpress.com/education-system-in-japan-general/the-japanese-history-textbook-issue/

http://www.usca.edu/essays/vol82003/cooley.pdf

http://www.nzasia.org.nz/downloads/NZJAS-Dec01/Textbook.pdf

http://japanfocus.org/-mark-selden/3173


Here are some examples. Pearl Harbor is in there somewhere. You can look up more on your own. Japan denying things has gotten so bad that China, Korea and other Asian countries actually keep track of Japan changing facts in their textbooks.
Posted 6/2/13 , edited 6/2/13

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Japan may not ban internet users but they DO ban scenes from movies like the Best Picture winner, The Last Emperor when scenes involving brutalities from the Japanese Imperial Army are shown. What of that then?That information is most certainly NOT up for everyone in Japan. There have also been complaints about a certain book in the Tintin comic book series, The Blue Lotus where the Japanese people were NOT happy at how they were portrayed in regards to China in the early 1930's though it was ALL true.

The information is there, but it is so hidden/downplayed by their own government that they can't tell fact from fiction.

How many people worldwide think of Muslims only as terrorists? As a Britisher, I can tell you Muslims get what could be the most hate in my country. Look at recent events in the UK with the protests wanting Muslims out! It's not just limited to the USA alone though the media loves to pretend it is so.

Sure, what the USA did was wrong but again - it came out in the open in the end! They didn't try to cover it up or downplay it! People know about it, and it's out there in the open. And come on - what about the racism in Japan? The way they treat foreigners? How they are racist to South East Asians for example, or hold up signs at airports telling foreigners to go home? Japan also has a racist agenda as well - how they promote only a single race society and look down on non-Japanese. Don't even get me started on how they thought they were the Master Race of Asia when they were an Empire. Why does no one mention that all the time?

Simple.

Because America is CONSTANTLY in the media, and under the spotlight of the entire world. The world feels better about itself because it has found a country to be the buttmonkey. They downplay their own actions in favor of highlighting a single countries mistakes. It used to be England before, now it is America. What country will be next?

My original post was limiting the conversation to the anime and Japan even. There are other posts on here that talk of other countries and their problems - I don't see anyone really rushing to those countries defense like they're doing for Japan. This one thread talks of a certain aspect of Japan for discussion. Of course though, people brought in all the other countries to bring them all into the net. Oh no, we can't have Japan singled out for ANYTHING bad - that's only for other countries!





Yes, I'm aware of what the Japanese did, you don't have to tell me. Most of them don't know that their whalers are killing the whales. It's not informed to their citizens.
But even so, you can't just go ahead and say something along the lines of, "Japan's the only one doing this, and my proof is this anime: Code Geass".

When you've just wrote it yourself that other countries such as USA and the UK are just as equally guilty.

You say it gets out in the end, what gets out exactly? Why are there still Americans and British think "ALL" Muslims are terrorists?


And basically that's my point when I said

Because it's financial suicide to make an anime/movie that paints Japan in a bad light.

Just like you don't see many Hollywood films depicting about the mistreatment of civilians by the US army in the middle east. Instead you get lots of movies about Killing Hitler/Nazi and whatnot. Those are guaranteed box office hits.



It's obviously not the USA doing this, but that's the PRIME and first example that came to my mind. And nowhere did I say "ONLY" the USA is responsible for this issue like you seem to suggest in your Original Post, that Japan's the only country doing this, and in your subsequent posts, Japan's the only country where the people are blinded by their government's propaganda.

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Code Geass is the American Revolution in Japan including the same enemy. Even down to using The United States of Japan. + Mecha
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hmm... Well you guys regularly go off topic. But never mind.
The thing that I spotted recently is that in anime there is a lot of girls from abroad. And the main male character who of course has to be Japanese, collects those girls from abroad. The point is that those Japanese like girls from e.g. Britain (they picture them as girls with blond hair). There are several examples in animes that a western girl falls for main male protagonist. I get the filling that those authors think something like this: Let's fuck those western bitches . . . Then they show themselves as superior. Sometimes I got the filling that they just mock us. Well when they try to make anime that is connected with world history is actually in many examples fail. I just remembered an anime that I watched as a kid. Captain Tsubasa or something like that. Omfg lol those Japanese are really something, soo optimistic that they made anime where Japanese wins 2002 world cup. And they beat every other country one after another like as they are superior (that guy can actually jump at least 10m high and can preform that kinda trick as if he was Brazilian magician. I can't really put into words the thing that I have in my mind but my point is that they if they make a character that is from Europe or America he/she is a bitch or evil nemesis or just a plain character that is there only for the show. It also irritates me when they try to speak foreigner language they do very badly. In some cases they can bring themselves to that point that you can actually understand when they speak English, bad for example when they try with German or French my ears start to bleed. I really hate when those male protagonists can't control their temper. Also when it goes to that point when the world has to be saved it's always in Japan and just Japan as if other countries doesn't exist. If they are so self centered they should just stop adding things from other countries and just focus on Japan and it's people . . .

As for the code geass I too got a filling that they aimed if only a little to provoke or at least to satisfy their ego. As for nationalism it's present in every country in our world. We can't do nothing about it so I don't blame them. But we can be at least honest with ourselves. It was interesting plot in it's way though they could do it better. In conclusion they just needed an arch nemesis to beat so they created Britania because it was the greatest empire on earth on several continents so it was only natural for them to borrow the name.
I don't know if you guys understand what I wanted to say but I won't blame you
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hmm... Well you guys regularly go off topic. But never mind.
The thing that I spotted recently is that in anime there is a lot of girls from abroad. And the main male character who of course has to be Japanese, collects those girls from abroad.

For the record, Lelouch is a pure-blooded Britannian.
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ZeroAsaNumber wrote:

hmm... Well you guys regularly go off topic. But never mind.
The thing that I spotted recently is that in anime there is a lot of girls from abroad. And the main male character who of course has to be Japanese, collects those girls from abroad.

For the record, Lelouch is a pure-blooded Britannian.


I wasn't referring to Code Geasse though . . . That was only my observation what I've seen in anime recently.
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hmm... Well you guys regularly go off topic. But never mind.
The thing that I spotted recently is that in anime there is a lot of girls from abroad. And the main male character who of course has to be Japanese, collects those girls from abroad. The point is that those Japanese like girls from e.g. Britain (they picture them as girls with blond hair). There are several examples in animes that a western girl falls for main male protagonist. I get the filling that those authors think something like this: Let's fuck those western bitches . . . Then they show themselves as superior. Sometimes I got the filling that they just mock us. Well when they try to make anime that is connected with world history is actually in many examples fail. I just remembered an anime that I watched as a kid. Captain Tsubasa or something like that. Omfg lol those Japanese are really something, soo optimistic that they made anime where Japanese wins 2002 world cup. And they beat every other country one after another like as they are superior (that guy can actually jump at least 10m high and can preform that kinda trick as if he was Brazilian magician. I can't really put into words the thing that I have in my mind but my point is that they if they make a character that is from Europe or America he/she is a bitch or evil nemesis or just a plain character that is there only for the show. It also irritates me when they try to speak foreigner language they do very badly. In some cases they can bring themselves to that point that you can actually understand when they speak English, bad for example when they try with German or French my ears start to bleed. I really hate when those male protagonists can't control their temper. Also when it goes to that point when the world has to be saved it's always in Japan and just Japan as if other countries doesn't exist. If they are so self centered they should just stop adding things from other countries and just focus on Japan and it's people . . .

As for the code geass I too got a filling that they aimed if only a little to provoke or at least to satisfy their ego. As for nationalism it's present in every country in our world. We can't do nothing about it so I don't blame them. But we can be at least honest with ourselves. It was interesting plot in it's way though they could do it better. In conclusion they just needed an arch nemesis to beat so they created Britania because it was the greatest empire on earth on several continents so it was only natural for them to borrow the name.
I don't know if you guys understand what I wanted to say but I won't blame you


Id like to point you to the amount of "America saves the Day" movies lol

Almost every single action movie that comes out here feels like that


Although i cant speak too much on that, as i dont watch alot of the movies that come out
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ZeroAsaNumber wrote:

hmm... Well you guys regularly go off topic. But never mind.
The thing that I spotted recently is that in anime there is a lot of girls from abroad. And the main male character who of course has to be Japanese, collects those girls from abroad. The point is that those Japanese like girls from e.g. Britain (they picture them as girls with blond hair). There are several examples in animes that a western girl falls for main male protagonist. I get the filling that those authors think something like this: Let's fuck those western bitches . . . Then they show themselves as superior. Sometimes I got the filling that they just mock us. Well when they try to make anime that is connected with world history is actually in many examples fail. I just remembered an anime that I watched as a kid. Captain Tsubasa or something like that. Omfg lol those Japanese are really something, soo optimistic that they made anime where Japanese wins 2002 world cup. And they beat every other country one after another like as they are superior (that guy can actually jump at least 10m high and can preform that kinda trick as if he was Brazilian magician. I can't really put into words the thing that I have in my mind but my point is that they if they make a character that is from Europe or America he/she is a bitch or evil nemesis or just a plain character that is there only for the show. It also irritates me when they try to speak foreigner language they do very badly. In some cases they can bring themselves to that point that you can actually understand when they speak English, bad for example when they try with German or French my ears start to bleed. I really hate when those male protagonists can't control their temper. Also when it goes to that point when the world has to be saved it's always in Japan and just Japan as if other countries doesn't exist. If they are so self centered they should just stop adding things from other countries and just focus on Japan and it's people . . .

As for the code geass I too got a filling that they aimed if only a little to provoke or at least to satisfy their ego. As for nationalism it's present in every country in our world. We can't do nothing about it so I don't blame them. But we can be at least honest with ourselves. It was interesting plot in it's way though they could do it better. In conclusion they just needed an arch nemesis to beat so they created Britania because it was the greatest empire on earth on several continents so it was only natural for them to borrow the name.
I don't know if you guys understand what I wanted to say but I won't blame you


Id like to point you to the amount of "America saves the Day" movies lol

Almost every single action movie that comes out here feels like that


Although i cant speak too much on that, as i dont watch alot of the movies that come out



I understand what you mean but we're speaking about Japanese that are considered as modest people they're quite the opposite from Americans. But we shouldn't compare anime with movies that lacks originality and are predictable. Though the anime industry shows symptoms so I really hope that won't turn in the same way as the latter did. I'm happy that every year there comes an anime that it's something new, original.
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ZeroAsaNumber wrote:


0nigokko wrote:


ZeroAsaNumber wrote:

hmm... Well you guys regularly go off topic. But never mind.
The thing that I spotted recently is that in anime there is a lot of girls from abroad. And the main male character who of course has to be Japanese, collects those girls from abroad. The point is that those Japanese like girls from e.g. Britain (they picture them as girls with blond hair). There are several examples in animes that a western girl falls for main male protagonist. I get the filling that those authors think something like this: Let's fuck those western bitches . . . Then they show themselves as superior. Sometimes I got the filling that they just mock us. Well when they try to make anime that is connected with world history is actually in many examples fail. I just remembered an anime that I watched as a kid. Captain Tsubasa or something like that. Omfg lol those Japanese are really something, soo optimistic that they made anime where Japanese wins 2002 world cup. And they beat every other country one after another like as they are superior (that guy can actually jump at least 10m high and can preform that kinda trick as if he was Brazilian magician. I can't really put into words the thing that I have in my mind but my point is that they if they make a character that is from Europe or America he/she is a bitch or evil nemesis or just a plain character that is there only for the show. It also irritates me when they try to speak foreigner language they do very badly. In some cases they can bring themselves to that point that you can actually understand when they speak English, bad for example when they try with German or French my ears start to bleed. I really hate when those male protagonists can't control their temper. Also when it goes to that point when the world has to be saved it's always in Japan and just Japan as if other countries doesn't exist. If they are so self centered they should just stop adding things from other countries and just focus on Japan and it's people . . .

As for the code geass I too got a filling that they aimed if only a little to provoke or at least to satisfy their ego. As for nationalism it's present in every country in our world. We can't do nothing about it so I don't blame them. But we can be at least honest with ourselves. It was interesting plot in it's way though they could do it better. In conclusion they just needed an arch nemesis to beat so they created Britania because it was the greatest empire on earth on several continents so it was only natural for them to borrow the name.
I don't know if you guys understand what I wanted to say but I won't blame you


Id like to point you to the amount of "America saves the Day" movies lol

Almost every single action movie that comes out here feels like that


Although i cant speak too much on that, as i dont watch alot of the movies that come out



I understand what you mean but we're speaking about Japanese that are considered as modest people they're quite the opposite from Americans. But we shouldn't compare anime with movies that lacks originality and are predictable. Though the anime industry shows symptoms so I really hope that won't turn in the same way as the latter did. I'm happy that every year there comes an anime that it's something new, original.



Agreed.

Tis why i watch Anime, yes there is shite in both mediums but Anime tends to produce more gems
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Britisher :L As a Brit that made me laugh
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There hasn't been an anime about Japan invading and conquering parts of China...
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Though the timeline is off a compared to the real world and its set in a fictional nation, Gosick's setting took place between the World Wars, and most of the events were paralleled in some fashion. Near the end of the series one of the characters becomes enlisted and is put on the front lines of what is most likely the Japanese invasion of China(Its the scenario that seems to make the most sense). While the focus of it is more on the character coping and trying to survive being a soldier in war, rather than the war itself it, it does at least seem to include the Japanese invasion of China.
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Well to be honest they were called Britannia and had an empire covering a third of the world.

I cant say it didn't sound familiar.

No need to remind us Brits of what we have lost though.

That's a low blow Japan.

In all seriousness though I love Code Geass so I don't care if they used the British Empire as a template for some crazy dictators.
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KingOfHeroess wrote:
There hasn't been an anime about Japan invading and conquering parts of China...
.

Though the timeline is off a compared to the real world and its set in a fictional nation, Gosick's setting took place between the World Wars, and most of the events were paralleled in some fashion. Near the end of the series one of the characters becomes enlisted and is put on the front lines of what is most likely the Japanese invasion of China(Its the scenario that seems to make the most sense). While the focus of it is more on the character coping and trying to survive being a soldier in war, rather than the war itself it, it does at least seem to include the Japanese invasion of China.


Really? I never got a chance to even see a picture of Gosick but I have heard it from some people's post
That sounds epic and gory. I must watch!
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