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Posted 6/6/13
Any civics class will tell you that this is not a failure of the American system, but an illustration of its success. The founders did not want much to get done, which is why everything is so hard to pass.
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Posted 6/7/13
The failure of the American political system

The corporations & multi-national corporations control the process 100%. We are given a flase illusion that our voices matter.

1) The GOP. They proudly support big business at the expense of the people. To keep people voting against their economic interests, they have become the party of hate. They hate brown people, LGBTQ people, women, immigrants, any other group of people they can scapegoat

2) The Democratic Party. They present themselves as the alternative to the hateful ways of the GOP. The problem? They are just as much (with a very few exceptions..Elizabeth Warren Senator D-MA) in the pocket of big business, but they are able to deflect from being owned and paid for by wall-street as they come out in support of people in terms of equality.

3) With very few exceptions (Bernie Sanders Senator I-VT), Independents/3rd parties are trashed by corporate money used to convince the people that they are just throwing their vote away.

As such the two parties play the hate/tolerance cards to distract from the fact that we are losing more freedom (Net/phone tapping) and more economic freedom as we struggle to have people treated fairly under the law.

Even when the party of hate (GOP) is unable to win a presidential election (once Texas turns blue), they will be able through gerry-mandering to keep a big enough voice in the congress to keep the hate/tolerance card to a point where the American people will never recover from being ruled by the corporations/multinational corporations.

This is the failure that is on course, of which the American people will not wake up to, and therefore is inevitable.
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Psalms 62:9 reads: " Indeed the sons of earthling man* are an exhalation,+

The sons of mankind* are a lie.+

When laid upon the scales they are all together lighter than an exhalation.+
Psalms. 118:8, 9: It is better to take refuge in Jehovah+

Than to trust in earthling man.+

9 It is better to take refuge in Jehovah+

Than to trust in nobles.+

And why should we not put our trust in them?

Psalms.146:3, 4: Do not put YOUR trust in nobles,+

Nor in the son of earthling man,* to whom no salvation belongs.+

4 His spirit* goes out,+ he goes back to his ground;+

In that day his thoughts do perish.*+
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Posted 6/7/13

AcadGlade wrote:

Psalms 62:9 reads: " Indeed the sons of earthling man* are an exhalation,+

The sons of mankind* are a lie.+

When laid upon the scales they are all together lighter than an exhalation.+
Psalms. 118:8, 9: It is better to take refuge in Jehovah+

Than to trust in earthling man.+

9 It is better to take refuge in Jehovah+

Than to trust in nobles.+

And why should we not put our trust in them?

Psalms.146:3, 4: Do not put YOUR trust in nobles,+

Nor in the son of earthling man,* to whom no salvation belongs.+

4 His spirit* goes out,+ he goes back to his ground;+

In that day his thoughts do perish.*+


Render unto Caeser that which is his

This pretty much negates anything you are saying above as YOUR bible is saying to submit to man made authority, not just that, Caeser IN YOUR WORDS would be an immoral pervert when looked at his sexual history

HAHA!
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Posted 6/13/13 , edited 6/13/13
As a non American looking at American politics I have always been amazed. I cannot tell the difference between the elephant or the jackass , and both seem under the same influence of foreign lobbyists and PACS.

I might be incorrect or misinformed but I have noticed to run in American politics one must be well off financially. Yet here in Canada, with tight election spending laws, someone does not need to be financially well off to have a shot.

I do see the differences between the 2 countries, as Canada is a semi socialist democracy. We have socialist things like fire department, police force, universal health care, equalization payments to poorer provinces. Elections can be called at anytime the leader feels like it, and you can remain in office an infinite number of times as long as you keep getting elected. Much different then the American system I feel.
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Posted 6/13/13
I typically only hear the words 'good government' used in hypothetical situations.

lordseth23 wrote:

What is wrong with Obamacare?
I think it's funny how the most important question on this thread is left unanswered.
Honestly there is so much bullshit in politics no one even bothers to figure out what really goes on under all that crap
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Posted 6/13/13

sophie-ann wrote:

As a non American looking at American politics I have always been amazed. I cannot tell the difference between the elephant or the jackass , and both seem under the same influence of foreign lobbyists and PACS.

I might be incorrect or misinformed but I have noticed to run in American politics one must be well off financially. Yet here in Canada, with tight election spending laws, someone does not need to be financially well off to have a shot.

I do see the differences between the 2 countries, as Canada is a semi socialist democracy. We have socialist things like fire department, police force, universal health care, equalization payments to poorer provinces. Elections can be called at anytime the leader feels like it, and you can remain in office an infinite number of times as long as you keep getting elected. Much different then the American system I feel.


There is a lot of truth in what you say!

A parliamentary system I think is actually MORE democratic than the system we have in the states as it allows more than just two parties and you get a better representation of the public!
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Posted 6/13/13
the system we have in the states is neither democratic nor fair
its scripted out to a point that whomever takes office just picks up where the last potus left off.
i just want to know whos writing the script.
i believe its the banks and major corporations.

thats also why obama/romneycare sucks, it forces the people to pay profits to the mega rich.


btw, blaming obama or the dems for obamacare is pretty ridiculous since obama wanted a canadian style universal healthcare until the republicans fearmongered the american people into shooting it down so they could replace it with a system which guarantees mega profits to the pet corporations.
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lordseth23 wrote:

What is wrong with Obamacare?


I went to get my old job at the supermarket back over the summer and I found one flaw already with Obamacare. Under Obamacare, part-time workers would get company health care benefits for working more than 29 hours. Therefore, the company has these workers pay into Obamacare, which is more costly, and forbids them from working more hours. So part-timers have a greater financial burden with less pay. I'm sure that they're many more flaws in that 1000+ page law.
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As for what's wrong with American politics, I'd have to point to the fact that people have figured out how to vote money to themselves. Lobbyists know how to twist politicians around their fingers at the expense of the general welfare of the citizens. Politicians go out of their way to indulge special interest groups to maintain political power.

There, that's the main reason the government is screwed up. Added to this, we presently have a president who does not know how to lead and claims ignorance concerning all the scandals presently coming out. No one is ever held accountable! One wonders who really is in charge or if anarchy reigns!
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Posted 6/14/13

Canute wrote:

As for what's wrong with American politics, I'd have to point to the fact that people have figured out how to vote money to themselves. Lobbyists know how to twist politicians around their fingers at the expense of the general welfare of the citizens. Politicians go out of their way to indulge special interest groups to maintain political power.

There, that's the main reason the government is screwed up. Added to this, we presently have a president who does not know how to lead and claims ignorance concerning all the scandals presently coming out. No one is ever held accountable! One wonders who really is in charge or if anarchy reigns!


Did you get your news from FOX, Rush, or Savage?

Those are BS scandals designed to rile the idiots who embrace the "southern strategy" up into a furor, meanwhile the corporate todies laugh as they fleece the average person.

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eightcar wrote:

Did you get your news from FOX, Rush, or Savage?

Those are BS scandals designed to rile the idiots who embrace the "southern strategy" up into a furor, meanwhile the corporate todies laugh as they fleece the average person.



Because I care that the IRS is being used as an arm of intimidation by the White House, the BATFE is telling gun shop owners to sell firearms to convicted felons which end up going to support the drug cartels in Mexico, the NSA is collecting information indiscriminately from ordinary American citizens, the IRS is further impeding non-profit conservative groups from getting tax exempt status, and that several Americans were gunned down in Bengazi due to negligence, I am an ignorant conservative or something? Aren't you in the least concerned when the government is doing these things and no one is held accountable? You can't say that these things are trivial!!!!

The problem is not that Fox and conservative talk radio are covering these things, but that liberal outlets pay them no mind. May not the liberal media be accused of trying to keep people ignorant of government corruption? We have not seen such blatant corruption in the Federal government since the administration of Ulysses S Grant!
Posted 6/14/13
How is it a failure? Everyone knows who Obama is but no one knows who are in the other countries. win
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Social Security...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD5gzQ-DYIY

...that is a huge failure. It is an expensive thorn in the ass for nearly everyone who lives and will live in the US going forward.
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The problem with obamacare is that it forces people to pay profiteering corporations as much as they can adk for to support their over priced ceos and greedy shareholders.
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