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Posted 6/11/13 , edited 6/11/13
"these posts suck because no one cares enough to know about how Britain names its people and how it was derived from history"

Make anymore face palms and you might make a hole in your face. Here's an inhaler, you obviously need it *sigh*
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Its very telling that you assumed that I am from the Middle-East and consider myself white. I am South Asian and most definitely do not consider myself anything other then South Asian! It is also telling that you think anthropology is only concerned with stuff that happened 200,000 years go. Ethnicity is the realm of anthropology and they will tell you that none of the factors you cited are determining factors in ethnicity BECAUSE they are transient. Societies change, including their culture, religion, political structure etc, etc. By your definition, Russians were not "white" while they were under communist control and didn't have a lot of freedom of speech, a government that was drastically different to those in Britain and western Europe in-general etc and I am not even going to bring-up Chechnya. Perhaps you think Bosnians are not white because they are muslims and maybe in your world map Azerbaijan, Albania and Kosovo are also not part of Europe and their people not white on account of them having large muslim populations. And of course in your Europe, the native cuisines of Italy are somehow related to the native cuisine of Iceland but you know, I don't think shark fermented in its own urine is all that popular in Italy and while we are on the topic, I don't think the Icelandic language shares the same root as Italian!

... I hope you see just how stupid what you just said was because no matter how you spin it, there are a lot of countries in Europe that do not conform to your definition and so by your own definition, the members of these countries, most of which are geopraphically firmly inside Europe, are not white or even European. Neither Europe nor the White Race both inside and outside Europe are a monolithic block that can be so easily categorised by ticking a checklist. You may want to remember that before you start telling people they are not white because you said so.


You do realised that you're so defensive about Middle-East Asians being white right? In your description of a "white" person, half of the world population can be define as "white", and that isn't what the Census or these questionnaires are for. They want specific racial profiling, and here is the definition of a "white" British person by the British government (NOT JUST ME) in the Census 2011:

White English, White Welsh, White Scottish, White Northern Irish, White Irish, Gypsy, Irish Traveller and White Other. Now white others, according to Census 2001, 4/5 of the 'Other White' category were born outside of the UK, mostly in Western or Eastern Europe.

Is that a clearer picture for you? Maybe Middle-East Asians are count as white in America, but in Britain (and probably the rest of Western/Northern Europe), there is a fine definition of who is white and who isn't. But really, what's the big deal of being white or not, other races are just as awesome as white people, and after all, we are all British and that's what matters.
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You do realised that you're so defensive about Middle-East Asians being white right? In your description of a "white" person, half of the world population can be define as "white", and that isn't what the Census or these questionnaires are for. They want specific racial profiling, and here is the definition of a "white" British person by the British government (NOT JUST ME) in the Census 2011:

White English, White Welsh, White Scottish, White Northern Irish, White Irish, Gypsy, Irish Traveller and White Other. Now white others, according to Census 2001, 4/5 of the 'Other White' category were born outside of the UK, mostly in Western or Eastern Europe.

Is that a clearer picture for you? Maybe Middle-East Asians are count as white in America, but in Britain (and probably the rest of Western/Northern Europe), there is a fine definition of who is white and who isn't. But really, what's the big deal of being white or not, other races are just as awesome as white people, and after all, we are all British and that's what matters.


No, no half the world's population can't be classified as "white". They still have to trace their ethnicity back to regions and demonstrate that as a people they have not evolved into something else. So no, half the world's population can't be classified as "white".

Secondly, this argument started over Turkey and Turkey is considered part of Eastern Europe. So once again your own arguments work against you and we were never talking about "British White" as that is a category reserved for native Britons.

Thirdly, because the census has an "other" category, most Middle Easter people would just tick "other background" and write down "Arab". However, if the "other" category did not exist, they would click "white". My point was that "Arabs" is a sub-group of "white" and no Arabs and other Middle Easter people are not Asian because the Middle East comprises of parts of Asia and Africa, with Arabs also extending to all of North Africa. But they aren't Asian or African or European because they as a people are too geographically dispersed to be classified by any geographic location like that. They are however all Caucasian, all white, because of where they originated. I cannot possible make this any more simple for you.

Lastly, I don't give a damn if you think every race is awesome or whatever. The reason I took issue with your posts is that you want the right to self classify yourself as Asian/Oriental whatever but somehow think that that right does not extend to a Turkish girl to call herself white. It doesn't work that way. If you don't want people to dictate to you how you can and cannot classify yourself, you do not get to dictate how other's classify themselves. That's really all I have to say on the topic.
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Posted 6/12/13 , edited 6/13/13

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we were never talking about "British White" as that is a category reserved for native Britons.


The whole thread is about British standard from the very start, I mentioned of the "British/Eurpoean white standard" in almost every single post to you. Unless you're playing dumb or forgetful to me now....


tinnicNo, no half the world's population can't be classified as "white". They still have to trace their ethnicity back to regions and demonstrate that as a people they have not evolved into something else. So no, half the world's population can't be classified as "white".

Secondly, this argument started over Turkey and Turkey is considered part of Eastern Europe. So once again your own arguments work against you and we were never talking about "British White" as that is a category reserved for native Britons.

Thirdly, because the census has an "other" category, most Middle Easter people would just tick "other background" and write down "Arab". However, if the "other" category did not exist, they would click "white". My point was that "Arabs" is a sub-group of "white" and no Arabs and other Middle Easter people are not Asian because the Middle East comprises of parts of Asia and Africa, with Arabs also extending to all of North Africa. But they aren't Asian or African or European because they as a people are too geographically dispersed to be classified by any geographic location like that. They are however all Caucasian, all white, because of where they originated. I cannot possible make this any more simple for you.

Lastly, I don't give a damn if you think every race is awesome or whatever. The reason I took issue with your posts is that you want the right to self classify yourself as Asian/Oriental whatever but somehow think that that right does not extend to a Turkish girl to call herself white. It doesn't work that way. If you don't want people to dictate to you how you can and cannot classify yourself, you do not get to dictate how other's classify themselves. That's really all I have to say on the topic.


Well, you're showing me how much you don't know much about culture in the UK and Europe by classifying Turkey in Eastern Europe. Sure Turkey is classified as an Euroasian country, but you do know that only 5% of Turkey is in the South-East Europe right? The rest of the 95% still lies in the Middle-East, therefore, majority of the population are still Middle-Easterners. And I don't know if you are from Europe, but Arabs, Turks, Kurdish and Persians are most certainly NOT classed as white in here (and sometimes when the option Arabs is available, it would not be categorised under White, it would be under Other). The point you are missing here is, these ethnic groups are considered "white" in Middle-East countries or maybe in North America, but they are not in Britain and Europe, because Europeans don't consider themselves to be in the race as Middle-Eastern people.

Clearly you've not been reading the thread correctly, I was pointing out that other East Asians should not be classified under Chinese because East Asians are not the same as Chinese, and Chinese have every right to claim that we are Asians because we are geographically and racially 100% Asian. But in this case, it was a Turkish person, who looks obviously Middle-Eastern, claiming to be white, they are two total different things. If I claim myself to be white, which my skin colour is visibly lighter than a fairly large amount of white people, does that make me white? No. Will other people see me as white? Certainly not. Just because Middle-Easterners think they're white doesn't really make them white. Middle-East lies in between Asia, Europe and Africa, and why exactly do they say that they're white, rather than brown or black? After all, Middle-Easterners share more similarities with North Africans and South Asians in terms of facial structures and culture than Europe. I can't help but feel that the colour of the skin has something to do with the social class system in the Middle-East.

Also, some South Asians are pretty light skin and have similar facial features to Middle-East Asians, are you going to convince me that South Asians are white too?

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Posted 6/13/13


Arabs are white?! I'm presuming you are either trolling or you are colour blind.
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Posted 6/22/13

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Arabs are white?! I'm presuming you are either trolling or you are colour blind.


Yes, they are white.

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Posted 6/27/13

Happencheese

Yes, they are white.



The only similarities that I can see between these two are - they are both scums.

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East Asians, Pakistanis and Indians simply are more common.
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