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Just been reading some disturbing stories about organ donation... "brain death" seems to be a very loose term. So many people declared brain dead, have recovered on the verge of having their organs harvested. I don't know how prevalent this is, but it is an eye-opener to me.


http://discovermagazine.com/2012/may/10-the-beating-heart-donors#.UbQxtxZK6iI

http://www.today.com/id/23775873/ns/today-today_news/t/pronounced-dead-man-takes-miraculous-turn/#.UbQx3xZK6iI

http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2012/09/lawsuit_organ_donor_network_pr.html


http://www.amazon.com/Death-Donation-Rethinking-Procuring-Transplantable/dp/1608996220
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I know this is selfish but I'm not one for organ donating. I can't bare the fact that a part of me is being taken away from me even if I'm dead, I rather rot in the ground in one piece lol.
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tinyd0t wrote:

I know this is selfish but I'm not one for organ donating. I can't bare the fact that a part of me is being taken away from me even if I'm dead, I rather rot in the ground in one piece lol.


Well, it seems like many organ donors are still alive when their organs are taken. Technically, they are declared "brain-dead", but their heart is usually still beating. And even the "brain-death" part seems wrong a lot of the time. Scary stuff.
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tinyd0t wrote:

I know this is selfish but I'm not one for organ donating. I can't bare the fact that a part of me is being taken away from me even if I'm dead, I rather rot in the ground in one piece lol.


even if that part of you allows another life to continue? you would be dead so i highly doubt you would actually care what becomes of your organs
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I'm not buying the story from those articles. I know for a fact, that if someone is declared "brain dead", they can never come back to life regardless of whether their heart is still beating or not.


Of course, organs in the body still function even after someone is dead, what you need to know is that the brain is not responsible for EVERYTHING in the body. The brain is the main control for conciousness/emotions/sensory stuffs, but other organs and cells function on their own and have their own regulatory systems. Cell divisions don't stop for a while after someone is brain dead.

But to be brain dead means that person is totally dead.
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even if that part of you allows another life to continue? you would be dead so i highly doubt you would actually care what becomes of your organs


I know if I'm dead my body part may become good use for other people alive, but I just can't bare the thought of part of myself becoming or living inside another human being. I admire those who are brave enough to do, but this isn't something I want to do.
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tinyd0t wrote:


uhohimdead

even if that part of you allows another life to continue? you would be dead so i highly doubt you would actually care what becomes of your organs


I know if I'm dead my body part may become good use for other people alive, but I just can't bare the thought of part of myself becoming or living inside another human being. I admire those who are brave enough to do, but this isn't something I want to do.


No one can blame you for that decision. Its not really a pleasant feeling knowing that your body is going to be played with after you are dead, even though at that time you won't know or care. Well either way i say this is something each individual should decide for themself, and on their own.
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I decided a long time ago to be a donor. I'll let them have everything that can still be used. I rather like thinking that good deeds on your part wont stop once your heart stops beating. I might be able to save a dozen people. And in a way I will live through them, and I will be leading many different lives.

That said, it doesn't mean I'm going to stop hoping for a long life of my own. I still want to be one of the lucky ones to die of old age. I've pretty much decided to kick it at about 101.
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If I can help another live by giving them parts of me I will no longer use then by all means take what you need. If I am not coming back then there is no point in being selfish. If I am declared brain dead then I am not coming back, and if by some miracle I do I will probably not be who I am, and that thought scares me more
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I've told my family that I have a few requests for when I die:

First, anything that can go to help someone else should be taken. Skin, eyes, hair, liver, whatever. I don't need it anymore, and it might help someone else live a longer and fuller life, simply because of me. That's pretty cool.

Second, anything that is left should be offered to schools or science. Teach people to operate on the leftover parts, or study what went wrong with my body so that future generations can liver longer and fuller lives. Also really cool.

Third, have a party. I don't want a funeral (not that there should be much left of me after the above two items). Watch movies that we enjoyed together, play games we had fun with, and remember the good times.

Brain dead is somewhat of a loose term, it's true, but if I have a choice between almost certainly being a vegetable or having my parts be upgrades to others, I'm going with the upgrade path.
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I'm not buying the story from those articles. I know for a fact, that if someone is declared "brain dead", they can never come back to life regardless of whether their heart is still beating or not.


Of course, organs in the body still function even after someone is dead, what you need to know is that the brain is not responsible for EVERYTHING in the body. The brain is the main control for conciousness/emotions/sensory stuffs, but other organs and cells function on their own and have their own regulatory systems. Cell divisions don't stop for a while after someone is brain dead.

But to be brain dead means that person is totally dead.


Kind of untrue.

Being declared brain dead does not always make one "brain dead" and that's what the real argument here is. One in five people declared brain dead are often still very much alive and functioning. Sometimes brain activity is honestly too low to measure, instead of giving the patient time doctors will pressure family members to pull the plug, especially with organ donors....reason being they want the organs. Getting and transplanting organs is a rather competitive field.

Second, no one is 100% sure how the brain works yet, there are still many mysteries in neuroscience left unsolved. I've worked several years with professors who've also done medical work and have given me first hand accounts of odd things that happened that under no circumstance should have happened - so no, someone seeming to be brain dead can very much "come back". It has happened and will probably continue to happen.

I guess in a way I'm saying you're correct but you seem to be ignoring that mistakes happen and sometimes the brain activity is too low to monitor. I mean one of the articles blatantly reads, "No RECORDED brain activity" recorded being the key word...weak brain activity will not record.

On topic...as mistakes like these do horrify me and I hope I'm not so unlucky, I chose to be an organ donor cause even if the doctors screw up majorly I'm still possibly saving several lives despite that mistake. It's scary but we're all ending up six feet under and our body is just another material possession not going anywhere after it ceases to function.
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Nobody is getting their hands on my body parts.. If they want it, it'll be over my de... never mind...

Well either way, I'm going to be cremated then scattered at my favorite place. I'll get legal support and make sure nobody touches my body before I get the cremation, or my parents have the go ahead to sue their asses off.
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This is exactly why I am not an organ donor on paper, I will not be harvested. However, my family and friends know my wishes and have a sort of living will from me that says in the event I do pass that I consent to all my organs being donated to those in need. If I am really dead I no longer have use for them, give them to someone whose life it will save and allow them to enjoy the little time they have left on this earth.
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To declare someone "Brain Dead" or in a vegetative state it's not only limited to an EEG (measuring brain activity), but it's also supported by an apnea test (Assessing the patient's ability to breath without a ventilator) which is not a brain function, rather a brainstem (primitive brain function if you will). If a simple function such as breathing is not achievable, then there is little or no chance of recovery. Now it's different if it's caused by certain drugs such as sedatives, that's why all of these tests should be done 24-48 hours off medications.

It gets complex when part of the mid brain is preserved, in this scenario, the person is able to perform primitive reflexes (reflexes seen by infants), such as grasping with hands, sucking with lips when touched, this argues if the person is really alive or not. however EEG, and Brain MRI will show extensive brain damage with no activity. Physicians will state there is little to no chance of a meaningful recovery, the person will have a very unlikely chance of returning to the person they were before.

The technologies to support the lungs and hearts were initially intended to support the body for enough time to withstand the temporary illness, such cases like infections (pneumonia:lung infections, septic shock: bacteria in blood) and surgery. However, it's grey when we are discussing a long term injury. I won't not want to live on a ventilator with life support, I would gladly donate my organs to grant another person a better quality of life, a chance to live.
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Those are retarded stories that you shouldnt believe. Its selfish to do anything short of give what you can after death, it doesnt inconvenience you in any way and can save many peoples lives. Not doing so because of some stupid media stories or squeamishness really reflects on your personality in my view.
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